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Air Forces has announced that a flying

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disc has been found and is now in the

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possession of the army

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game is great change the game game

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changer

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I occasionally think how quickly our

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differences worldwide would vanish if we

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were facing an alien threat from outside

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this is Fade to Black with your host

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Jimmy Church on the game changer Radio

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Network

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all right

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welcome Fade to Black I am your host

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Jimmy Church

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today is Monday June 12

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2023 and tonight Richard Dolan is with

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us we

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so much has gone down

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um in the last seven days a lot to talk

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about and uh which includes uh David

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crush the UAP UFO I guess we can say UAP

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UFO whistleblower

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um and that news broke last Monday we

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had this this I'm gonna say it's a hoax

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I don't know uh this thing that happened

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in Las Vegas uh there's a lot of media

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coverage

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um around David uh grush as well I think

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I said Gross grush David crush and of

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course Dr Steven Greer had his press

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conference today from the national Press

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Club and so before I just get into all

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of that let's just bring in Richard and

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just say Richard

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dolanmembers.com that's my new it's my

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new intro

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for Richard bleep and Dolan that's it

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that's it Richard dolanmembers.com

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that's what we're going to do from now

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on

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hello Jimmy how are you I'm happy to be

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here with you

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crazy week my friend okay one of the

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craziest ever and one of the craziest

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ever and so before we get started the

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last couple of times that uh you have

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been on the show we we forgot we forgot

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tradition Richard so can can we do can

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we get back we can okay really quick we

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want to be efficient with our tradition

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I mean you know we piss a lot of people

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off if we you know start changing things

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up you know they're here for a reason

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they're here to find out what was the

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last song you listened to today I can

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answer that one easily I was driving not

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long before I came on here with you and

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here in Rochester we actually have a

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radio station this that I happen to like

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how often do you find a radio station

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that you're like not often no there's

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one up here they play what we like to

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call in the biz classic rock you may

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daughter she'd be like Dad I hate old

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rock

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but it is what it is so I was listening

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and this was actually not a rock song

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but it's from the era and I heard a song

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that I love which is I Can See Clearly

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Now by Johnny Nash

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it is really one of my favorite songs

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and I got to hear it while driving back

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here and uh I I always love that song

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man did you sing did you sing uh a

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little bit yeah yeah you did you run in

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the car I couldn't get away with it I

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can yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah for me

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speaking of classic rock right now

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that's true classic rock yeah yeah yep I

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listened uh to a bunch of stuff but I

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found an acapella version of More Than A

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all right now that's just no that's just

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wrong I'm sorry I'm not gonna get behind

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that it's a long time no no no no no no

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I'm wagging the finger it was Boston

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doing the acapella version yeah yeah

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Brad dope man he could sing anyway so

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that's right he was awesome he was

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awesome that is so awesome and so I went

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through a Boston I went through a Boston

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thing today it's just great so

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um uh I didn't uh catch all of uh Steven

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Greer's press conference I bought

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um a new computer oh so so check this

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out I've been maniacally I'm up on

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everything but the Greer conference

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Tracy just actually caught me up to a

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lot of it she I said I need screenshots

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she's giving me screenshots I'm looking

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at them I've got his conclusions which

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by the way I mean I'd love to talk about

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I'm pretty much on board with a lot of

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what he said there okay so we'll Circle

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back not everything I mean not

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everything the whole ET good human bad I

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got some problems with that but a lot of

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the things he said actually struck me as

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on the face of it fairly reasonable I

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need to listen more carefully okay

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um now it I missed the first hour 90

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minutes or so uh which was Stephen today

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because I bought a new computer

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and I've got six computers that I use to

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run the show and so I'm replacing my

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main one

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and but check this out so I I go out and

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I get this it's called are you ready

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it's called an open

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I got a an almond computer it's by HP

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but anyway it's not a good sign no no

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big box right big thing this thing is

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that it's it's it's huge it's not but

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this is the manual that comes with the

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computer you open it up you take it out

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you put it down this is 666 Pages I'm

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just gonna guess

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two all right here we are that's it

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that's the entire man

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I'm very happy for you no it's it's just

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like I I like to read stuff and I'm

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unpacked I'm like where's the manual

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dude it's a computer what do you need

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anymore this isn't 1989.

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uh how do I operate the Disk Operating

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System here uh control alt delete you

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know this is a different era yeah it is

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you just talk to your computer I mean

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you were we're two years away from you

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falling in love with your computer like

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that's happening in your next upgrade

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you're gonna be like walking in Phoenix

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in the movie her that's that's happening

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to people wow I I I I I don't even need

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to do anything anymore I don't normally

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do this but Ron

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just popped up 350 bucks

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and just out just out thank you Ron

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wow wow it's uh

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there you go these this is what you have

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when you have dedicated fade or knots

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thank you Ron just think yeah it's a

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very humbling thing okay

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um let's start with uh David grush

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uh the you you were you were out of town

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dude right it was like what the what's

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because we're going to spend a lot of

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time on David tonight

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but what went through your mind

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when you found out either somebody told

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you or you got tested no I'll tell you

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the whole thing it's actually uh it's

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funny it's crazy I mean we were at

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contact in the desert Tracy and I were

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largest like UFO dedicated conference

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out there although there's other things

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conference it's everyone knows it

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morning or Monday early afternoon excuse

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pardon me so I was getting ready to do

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all right you need to get out of bed now

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media is blowing up news is blowing up

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Leslie Kane and Rob Blumenthal at out at

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the debrief that was a very fine article

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really amazing things just as I was

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organizers who asked if they could

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like we didn't know what that was going

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to say but my Workshop was happening and

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so we streamed that in during my

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workshop so I got to see the whole thing

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with a crowd of about a hundred people

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who were staying behind at this

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conference so we all got to experience

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it together I was there with Danny

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Sheehan and um Linda Moulton Howe was

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this was a significant like a group of a

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significant group of people who were

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there we got to experience it together

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so that was fascinating and in fact let

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melange or a you know putting together

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of all of these different aspects of it

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that happened that that morning and that

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afternoon and that is on my website

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original members I think Tracy's putting

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it up it's not high res they didn't

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create a super high res version but it's

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slice of history there

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so that's what I was doing so I was very

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involved in this story

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right from the beginning

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because I had to be it was like thrown

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Steve Bassett as well and Steve was was

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someone who said okay this is going to

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blow It Wide Open the the truth embargo

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this is it you know we're going to see

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the Avalanche happen

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and uh I will say like I wondered as

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well like this was because I'm sure most

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of your listeners are aware but very

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very briefly grush is a former senior

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Military Intelligence officer

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essentially stating that the US

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government or contractors

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have

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um possession of alien spacecraft and

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also bodies or or at least proof of

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alien life I guess

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and he talked about uh

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how this information was illegal it kept

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from the from Congress and from the UAP

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task force

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how he was attacked as a result of his

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attempts to get the the truth out

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and filed a formal whistleblower

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complaint and won his complaint

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and um I mean it's it's amazing stuff

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you know he was with the nro he was with

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the UAP task force from 2019 to 2021. so

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he has

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very good Bona fides at least to start

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with

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and I did think like this could this

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could start potentially an avalanche and

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it that has not happened

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within the UFO Community there's

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certainly been a lot of talk it's all

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that we've been talking about all week

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that's for sure

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um I was just chatting with a friend who

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is not in the UFO field and he had not

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the slightest idea why do you think that

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why do you think that is Tucker Carlson

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um uh went on Twitter you know he's he's

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unemployed so yeah so he goes on Twitter

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he's in a good position to be unemployed

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yeah

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I I want uh control of his assets

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um but anyway so he goes on Twitter

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and he made a very very important point

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and I I gotta thank him for this I I

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just wish it was seen by more people he

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said look

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this is David grush

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the biggest news in human history this

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is it why isn't it the headline story on

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every media platform today he said you

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can go anywhere you want and you can

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find out about uh uh politics or the

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economy or or climate but but this story

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is not there and on you media yeah I

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think there's a good reason for that and

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why do you think that is I think because

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the media is reflective of the very

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same power struggle that is occurring

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within the National Security State

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I've been saying for years and I you

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know as time goes by I believe is more

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and more strongly that what we have been

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seeing since 2017 is the result of a

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factional struggle factional War within

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the establishment

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and it's not that one side is like yes

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100 for disclosure and all the full

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truth on UFOs I don't I do not believe

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that but they do have their reasons for

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promoting some level of openness on UFOs

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and for opening up the public discussion

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and they position themselves very well

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we're talking Chris Mellon we're talking

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yes Lou Alexander he'll put off Eric

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Davis all of those guys and then they

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have their allies Leslie Kane Ralph

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Blumenthal and Tucker Carlson was an

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ally you could say but basically within

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the

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maybe I don't really know I don't want

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to think for them but maybe they just

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want to make money on uh some of the

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Technologies

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you know this isn't 1950 anymore right

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we're in a new century we've gone a long

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road since the early days of the UFO

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cover-up

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and perhaps there are monetary

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opportunities in some of this technology

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that some people may see some weight you

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know

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just make some money is that possible

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absolutely that's possible I don't know

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that that's their motivation

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it's not as you know pure white as the

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driven snow in terms of motivations but

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this is what motivates people there's

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all kinds of reasons but in any case I

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think we've seen one faction that's

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promoted some level of disclosure let's

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call it that

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and fighting of course the established

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position which has been entrenched for

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decades and generations which is

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essentially saying no way at all are we

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going to allow this to

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come out there's just too much at stake

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for them and so I think within the media

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because our media has now become nothing

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more than an extension of the National

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Security establishment I mean

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essentially

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my view anyway and I think that there

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you know what you've seen the New York

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Times has not touched this story The

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Washington Post has not touched it uh

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CNN at least as of yesterday

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has not touched the story I I looked

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fox has touched it a little bit not as

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much as if they'd had Carlson still they

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um they had a kind of a pro article they

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had kind of a negative article

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there's there's really nothing in the

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first top tier media you have to go to

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the second tier you know um some of the

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bigger YouTube channels and um news

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Salon the guardian covered it a couple

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of newspapers like that Daily Mail yeah

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yeah I mean

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yeah so some of them but it's not it

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hasn't made the Breakthrough and I

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believe most likely this is indicative

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of an ongoing factional War

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the the other part uh

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uh and there's so many there are so many

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movements this is like a Swiss watch

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right I mean there are so many little

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intricate details in here

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um but one of the statements uh that

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David uh David grush made

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um that has it's been talked about is

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this he says that he gave the IG

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the paperwork and the images yes that's

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right right now what what is it that

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um uh well if speculate with me right

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what is it that he could have given the

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IG and is it uh does his attorney give

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it to the IG because is he allowed to be

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in possession of this material so you

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hand it off to your attorney attorney

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client privilege you're writing up the

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thing and and you hand it off because it

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seems like wouldn't he be in in a weird

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spot but yet

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dobster has apparently uh allowed him to

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make these statements so what what is it

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that he could have

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shown the IG what do you think was so

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significant that convinced David

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to make these statements

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yeah I'm trying to go through my notes

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on this as well and I do believe he gave

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photographs and uh I don't know how

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specific he was actually when he was

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talking with Ross coaltart about this uh

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he mentioned documents I don't know what

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specific documents he said he handed

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over but I know he handed materials over

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to the Inspector General

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and you know of course stating that he

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faced resistance retaliation for

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for uh doing the things he did but

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I mean presumably he

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um I think he said he

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did he say that he saw such a graph that

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we only had photographs I think he said

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he saw photographs of The Craft and gave

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those over and then spoke with a number

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of his colleagues who gave him

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additional confirmation of that yeah I'm

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going on the assumption that he gave

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over photographs and other kinds of

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assets documentation but I don't know if

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we have specifics on any of that yet

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yeah and and you know is it and when

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we're talking about images

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is it something from the internet that

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we've all seen or is is this a

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photograph inside of lockheed's Hangar

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that's a great question out at Skunk

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Works yeah I mean you you know I've

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listened to uh the skeptic Mick West to

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talk about this and I don't think he

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made that claim specifically about Crush

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but he did say like you know he's

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basically recycling crash retrieval

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stories that have been floating around

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the community for years

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now what I would say is that yes what

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grush has to say does conform

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uh very well with what researchers

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who've looked into crash UFO Crasher

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tables have said for years and

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I'm one of those researchers I believe

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that hey are you there Jimmy or did I

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lose you uh my my camera just stopped

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working so I'll host your show for you

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I've got you covered

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we'll take care of this

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it just went black and normally well

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what I will say

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you you want to come back on here

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no hey you can continue I'll do this

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without you Jimmy I don't need you here

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what I was going to say is when this

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normally happens the

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um

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uh

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the there's a program running in the

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background that has grabbed hold of my

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camera

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so um anyway is this your new computer

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that's acting up no the new computer no

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this is my smile yeah thank you for that

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um yeah that's weird okay hold on let me

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yeah well hold on no no no I want you to

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continue let me keep going yeah we can't

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have dead air the question was is the uh

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are they images like uh we have seen

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from the internet remember when Delong

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was on Joe Rogan and he played he played

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that that uh tr3b video right

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okay that's a bad moment so that's my

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question is David handing over stuff

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like that or

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is it a shot from or multiple shots from

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inside yeah uh a government Hangar I

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don't know but I'm going to assume that

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he had the real deal he had he has the

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goods

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and the reason I'm assuming that is

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because

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uh at this point I have a high level of

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trust I'm going to say that in in the

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journalism of Leslie Kane and of Ralph

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Blumenthal

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oh spoken with Ralph a bit I think you

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know what they're doing I think that

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they uh and I've listened to

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particularly Leslie talk about this in

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the last week

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I think they vetted gresh very well I

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know that David gresh has a very high

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Stellar reputation where he has worked

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he received significant promotions due

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to his excellent capability hey there

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you are welcome back welcome back to the

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program Jimmy church I feel better

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so um

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so I'm going to take it I'm assuming but

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I admit I don't know that he had the

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real deal that he had actual images that

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were legit not just some rehash stuff

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but what I was saying before is that

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what he has claimed is very much in line

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with what has circulated through the UFO

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research Community but that's not

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that's not something that should be used

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to discredit him for goodness sake I've

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spent years and years going through the

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research of the late Leonard Stringfield

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from the 1970s through the early 90s I

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know strength builds work very well at

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this point I've spent a lot of time

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going into everything that he has done

553
00:24:06,409 --> 00:24:03,240
and I will just say that Linda

554
00:24:08,810 --> 00:24:06,419
Stringfield was a meticulous researcher

555
00:24:12,409 --> 00:24:08,820
who went out of his way to get

556
00:24:14,450 --> 00:24:12,419
uh detailed accounts from a wide range

557
00:24:16,850 --> 00:24:14,460
of witnesses who talked about the

558
00:24:18,350 --> 00:24:16,860
retrieval of UFOs and and alien bodies

559
00:24:19,370 --> 00:24:18,360
as well strength they'll collected a lot

560
00:24:23,029 --> 00:24:19,380
of this

561
00:24:25,850 --> 00:24:23,039
so the you know that's a massive of

562
00:24:29,450 --> 00:24:25,860
testimony that has already existed and

563
00:24:31,130 --> 00:24:29,460
grush is indeed providing evidence or at

564
00:24:33,770 --> 00:24:31,140
least he's providing testimony I should

565
00:24:36,649 --> 00:24:33,780
say that is that corroborates or that

566
00:24:39,190 --> 00:24:36,659
supports the work of people like Leonard

567
00:24:41,270 --> 00:24:39,200
Stringfield but it's true

568
00:24:43,490 --> 00:24:41,280
brush doesn't have proof he's not

569
00:24:46,250 --> 00:24:43,500
presented proof and that is that's an

570
00:24:46,810 --> 00:24:46,260
issue well and let me jump in

571
00:24:51,830 --> 00:24:46,820
um

572
00:24:54,830 --> 00:24:51,840
uh I have my old copy that I got from

573
00:24:57,590 --> 00:24:54,840
you years ago UFOs the National Security

574
00:25:00,890 --> 00:24:57,600
State volume one and I'm constantly

575
00:25:03,049 --> 00:25:00,900
picking that book up and and and and

576
00:25:06,110 --> 00:25:03,059
reading it it's like one of my reference

577
00:25:09,289 --> 00:25:06,120
books and just last night so you're

578
00:25:12,649 --> 00:25:09,299
bringing up Stringfield last night

579
00:25:16,730 --> 00:25:12,659
um I decided to start from the beginning

580
00:25:18,830 --> 00:25:16,740
again and I'm re and I caught I didn't

581
00:25:22,850 --> 00:25:18,840
see this before

582
00:25:27,049 --> 00:25:22,860
you do a section before Roswell

583
00:25:30,110 --> 00:25:27,059
right okay and it's not very long but uh

584
00:25:32,350 --> 00:25:30,120
he did the the Airship stuff 1897 and

585
00:25:36,409 --> 00:25:32,360
and things but anyway

586
00:25:39,470 --> 00:25:36,419
you talk about Foo Fighters and you talk

587
00:25:43,970 --> 00:25:39,480
about this case in the Pacific where

588
00:25:47,149 --> 00:25:43,980
this troop transport is is flying over

589
00:25:48,950 --> 00:25:47,159
there right and and I'm saying so I'm

590
00:25:52,130 --> 00:25:48,960
reading I'm like oh okay okay Foo

591
00:25:53,930 --> 00:25:52,140
Fighters Pacific three okay following it

592
00:25:56,570 --> 00:25:53,940
disappeared in the cloud and then you

593
00:26:00,350 --> 00:25:56,580
you got this it's almost a throwaway

594
00:26:02,690 --> 00:26:00,360
line at the end of it or you go and by

595
00:26:06,409 --> 00:26:02,700
the way one of the troops on that plane

596
00:26:08,930 --> 00:26:06,419
was a young Leonard Stringfield that's

597
00:26:11,570 --> 00:26:08,940
right crap right not only that that

598
00:26:12,529 --> 00:26:11,580
account he wrote about it in um trying

599
00:26:15,230 --> 00:26:12,539
to remember which book probably

600
00:26:17,330 --> 00:26:15,240
situation red I can't remember but

601
00:26:19,070 --> 00:26:17,340
he described it at some length and he

602
00:26:21,529 --> 00:26:19,080
said yeah we were

603
00:26:23,090 --> 00:26:21,539
uh I can't remember exactly where they

604
00:26:26,210 --> 00:26:23,100
were they were moving flying toward

605
00:26:28,850 --> 00:26:26,220
Japan I think and this luminous tears

606
00:26:31,250 --> 00:26:28,860
teardrop shaped object came alongside

607
00:26:32,930 --> 00:26:31,260
their plane and immediately caused the

608
00:26:34,490 --> 00:26:32,940
plane to start sputter the engine

609
00:26:36,710 --> 00:26:34,500
started to go out that's right that's

610
00:26:39,289 --> 00:26:36,720
right right and they were preparing he

611
00:26:41,570 --> 00:26:39,299
said we had to prepare for a ditch like

612
00:26:44,330 --> 00:26:41,580
to ditch the plane in the ocean good

613
00:26:46,970 --> 00:26:44,340
Lord they were that it was that serious

614
00:26:49,549 --> 00:26:46,980
and he said the uh this bright object

615
00:26:53,570 --> 00:26:49,559
then just moved away from our aircraft

616
00:26:54,649 --> 00:26:53,580
and we came back yeah got the engines

617
00:26:57,590 --> 00:26:54,659
back

618
00:27:00,230 --> 00:26:57,600
um yeah it dashed into some clouds right

619
00:27:02,510 --> 00:27:00,240
disappeared yeah and and they got the

620
00:27:05,090 --> 00:27:02,520
engine back and and all was all was cool

621
00:27:06,590 --> 00:27:05,100
but that was in August or September I

622
00:27:10,090 --> 00:27:06,600
think August of 1945 I think it was

623
00:27:13,669 --> 00:27:10,100
after the the bombs had been dropped

624
00:27:15,710 --> 00:27:13,679
three weeks after yeah yeah so who's

625
00:27:17,570 --> 00:27:15,720
who's playing those things if you want

626
00:27:19,010 --> 00:27:17,580
to argue like we can get this into this

627
00:27:21,529 --> 00:27:19,020
with with guerrera's press conference

628
00:27:23,930 --> 00:27:21,539
later because he does

629
00:27:25,310 --> 00:27:23,940
well he makes the claim of course that I

630
00:27:26,810 --> 00:27:25,320
mean a lot of these things are man-made

631
00:27:29,330 --> 00:27:26,820
he does

632
00:27:30,590 --> 00:27:29,340
state that some of these are ET but a

633
00:27:32,570 --> 00:27:30,600
lot are man-made

634
00:27:33,590 --> 00:27:32,580
but he said like the Tic Tac is man-made

635
00:27:35,390 --> 00:27:33,600
and

636
00:27:37,730 --> 00:27:35,400
but is that foo fighter from

637
00:27:39,169 --> 00:27:37,740
stringfield's encounter from after the

638
00:27:41,630 --> 00:27:39,179
Japanese surrender

639
00:27:44,330 --> 00:27:41,640
is that man-made who's flying those

640
00:27:46,490 --> 00:27:44,340
things that's right I mean look it's

641
00:27:49,250 --> 00:27:46,500
we're not talking German Nazi technology

642
00:27:52,730 --> 00:27:49,260
and we're not talking Japanese this is

643
00:27:53,890 --> 00:27:52,740
this is does not have an explanation I'm

644
00:27:58,190 --> 00:27:53,900
just saying

645
00:28:02,210 --> 00:27:58,200
so what do you what do you make of uh uh

646
00:28:04,549 --> 00:28:02,220
do you feel that grush I I want to talk

647
00:28:06,730 --> 00:28:04,559
about dobster too I think this is very

648
00:28:10,130 --> 00:28:06,740
important because

649
00:28:13,909 --> 00:28:10,140
he the the takeaway is this

650
00:28:16,010 --> 00:28:13,919
flying saucers alien bodies right that's

651
00:28:20,029 --> 00:28:16,020
that's the right that's that's the two

652
00:28:23,990 --> 00:28:20,039
things that that are on point here

653
00:28:26,990 --> 00:28:24,000
um it did is is these

654
00:28:29,690 --> 00:28:27,000
uh these two subjects were these

655
00:28:31,549 --> 00:28:29,700
disclosed to dobster right these are

656
00:28:33,529 --> 00:28:31,559
what is what I'm gonna write about is

657
00:28:35,570 --> 00:28:33,539
what I'm gonna talk about in interviews

658
00:28:38,090 --> 00:28:35,580
I'm going to talk about uh the U.S

659
00:28:41,149 --> 00:28:38,100
government having uh you know crashed

660
00:28:44,450 --> 00:28:41,159
and recovered alien uh flying saucers

661
00:28:47,390 --> 00:28:44,460
and I'm gonna talk about uh alien bodies

662
00:28:51,169 --> 00:28:47,400
and the pilots of those said craft and

663
00:28:52,250 --> 00:28:51,179
was that cleared by the government and I

664
00:28:54,529 --> 00:28:52,260
don't know and I'm gonna need to have

665
00:28:56,450 --> 00:28:54,539
more time to look into Dobson myself I'm

666
00:28:58,549 --> 00:28:56,460
just going to plead that I haven't

667
00:29:00,710 --> 00:28:58,559
caught up on every single development

668
00:29:02,390 --> 00:29:00,720
there's been so much this week I mean

669
00:29:03,649 --> 00:29:02,400
I'm aware that there have been claims of

670
00:29:06,710 --> 00:29:03,659
alien bodies

671
00:29:08,330 --> 00:29:06,720
in possession of uh possessed by the

672
00:29:09,950 --> 00:29:08,340
United States government or contractors

673
00:29:16,490 --> 00:29:09,960
so

674
00:29:19,130 --> 00:29:16,500
believed this for a long time right

675
00:29:22,730 --> 00:29:19,140
right do you have alien bodies and

676
00:29:25,549 --> 00:29:22,740
Technology yes do you put David grush at

677
00:29:27,470 --> 00:29:25,559
whistleblower status I think so I think

678
00:29:28,010 --> 00:29:27,480
it's fair

679
00:29:29,690 --> 00:29:28,020
um

680
00:29:31,070 --> 00:29:29,700
I mean he had he did apply for

681
00:29:34,970 --> 00:29:31,080
protection formally Under The

682
00:29:36,710 --> 00:29:34,980
Whistleblower protection act so

683
00:29:38,210 --> 00:29:36,720
um yeah and I mean Leslie and Ralph

684
00:29:39,950 --> 00:29:38,220
referred to him as a whistleblower I

685
00:29:42,590 --> 00:29:39,960
mean that phrase often gets overused

686
00:29:45,470 --> 00:29:42,600
especially in the UFO field it's used

687
00:29:48,830 --> 00:29:45,480
all the time but to me what constitutes

688
00:29:51,169 --> 00:29:48,840
a whistleblower is well first of all you

689
00:29:54,769 --> 00:29:51,179
have to be able to confirm who they are

690
00:29:58,250 --> 00:29:54,779
and we can do that with him and secondly

691
00:30:00,110 --> 00:29:58,260
they are literally drawing attention to

692
00:30:02,510 --> 00:30:00,120
a specific problem within the government

693
00:30:04,549 --> 00:30:02,520
one thing Rush did not do

694
00:30:07,610 --> 00:30:04,559
which I think at some point someone

695
00:30:10,250 --> 00:30:07,620
needs to do is to identify

696
00:30:13,850 --> 00:30:10,260
the office or some office that is

697
00:30:16,850 --> 00:30:13,860
actually managing this cover-up

698
00:30:19,730 --> 00:30:16,860
which he has not done to my knowledge uh

699
00:30:21,769 --> 00:30:19,740
or even the name like we need you know

700
00:30:25,610 --> 00:30:21,779
departments and names

701
00:30:33,409 --> 00:30:25,620
and until we get that I I think there's

702
00:30:39,769 --> 00:30:37,970
um the we're getting closer and closer

703
00:30:40,549 --> 00:30:39,779
right we are moving the ball down the

704
00:30:44,029 --> 00:30:40,559
field

705
00:30:47,210 --> 00:30:44,039
but your point is a valid one you can

706
00:30:49,810 --> 00:30:47,220
say that we are in possession of flying

707
00:30:54,649 --> 00:30:49,820
saucers you can say that we have the but

708
00:30:56,570 --> 00:30:54,659
it is a whole nother step and and if

709
00:31:00,649 --> 00:30:56,580
once you've applied for whistleblower

710
00:31:04,370 --> 00:31:00,659
status then go there is it Raytheon

711
00:31:07,310 --> 00:31:04,380
right is it right exactly is it Boeing

712
00:31:10,310 --> 00:31:07,320
is it is it Lockheed is it Northrop

713
00:31:11,690 --> 00:31:10,320
Grumman I think I think the money is

714
00:31:14,269 --> 00:31:11,700
that it's actually all of them because

715
00:31:15,710 --> 00:31:14,279
when you've got uh stove piping that's

716
00:31:18,590 --> 00:31:15,720
been going on with this type of program

717
00:31:20,149 --> 00:31:18,600
you you actually want to spread it

718
00:31:23,450 --> 00:31:20,159
around a little bit because you don't

719
00:31:25,190 --> 00:31:23,460
want all of the data to be contained

720
00:31:27,830 --> 00:31:25,200
within one particular

721
00:31:30,289 --> 00:31:27,840
corporate entity so I mean this is what

722
00:31:33,889 --> 00:31:30,299
I have heard for some time and

723
00:31:35,389 --> 00:31:33,899
it makes sense to me right yeah one

724
00:31:36,950 --> 00:31:35,399
place not just Northrop not just

725
00:31:40,789 --> 00:31:36,960
Lockheed and so forth

726
00:31:42,830 --> 00:31:40,799
is he uh Leonard Stringfield military

727
00:31:51,710 --> 00:31:42,840
right

728
00:31:54,110 --> 00:31:51,720
that many uh military uh Personnel have

729
00:31:55,850 --> 00:31:54,120
have come forward

730
00:31:58,250 --> 00:31:55,860
um over the years

731
00:31:59,990 --> 00:31:58,260
um crush is certainly not the first one

732
00:32:02,990 --> 00:32:00,000
but

733
00:32:07,430 --> 00:32:03,000
um his not only his military background

734
00:32:10,430 --> 00:32:07,440
but his clearances uh the UAP task force

735
00:32:12,409 --> 00:32:10,440
um is it the nro right I think he's

736
00:32:16,250 --> 00:32:12,419
right NRL

737
00:32:20,950 --> 00:32:16,260
um this is this is pretty heavy now

738
00:32:25,730 --> 00:32:20,960
we're in heavy duty uh territory here

739
00:32:29,810 --> 00:32:25,740
why would he not be telling the truth

740
00:32:36,590 --> 00:32:32,029
Ross asked one of the best questions

741
00:32:38,630 --> 00:32:36,600
ever and he is good Ross Culvert egos he

742
00:32:40,610 --> 00:32:38,640
looks right at him and goes dude

743
00:32:44,450 --> 00:32:40,620
are you lying to me

744
00:32:45,430 --> 00:32:44,460
right and and so to that that's the

745
00:32:49,430 --> 00:32:45,440
question

746
00:32:51,470 --> 00:32:49,440
why if if you have the career that you

747
00:32:55,070 --> 00:32:51,480
have and you have the reputation that

748
00:32:58,130 --> 00:32:55,080
you have why would you throw it all away

749
00:33:00,470 --> 00:32:58,140
I I don't think that you would I I just

750
00:33:02,269 --> 00:33:00,480
don't I think this is why most people

751
00:33:03,950 --> 00:33:02,279
consider him very credible and let's

752
00:33:06,590 --> 00:33:03,960
just be clear I think most people do

753
00:33:08,269 --> 00:33:06,600
consider him to be credible he's got

754
00:33:09,830 --> 00:33:08,279
some detractors of course it's going to

755
00:33:11,330 --> 00:33:09,840
happen when you're making the claim like

756
00:33:12,830 --> 00:33:11,340
this but

757
00:33:15,409 --> 00:33:12,840
I think

758
00:33:17,149 --> 00:33:15,419
um he has he seems to have an excellent

759
00:33:19,789 --> 00:33:17,159
reputation

760
00:33:21,830 --> 00:33:19,799
uh he comes across as a young guy to me

761
00:33:24,409 --> 00:33:21,840
you know he's 36 I think he's

762
00:33:27,289 --> 00:33:24,419
almost sounds a little flippant when he

763
00:33:30,529 --> 00:33:27,299
talks with Ross cultart a little bit

764
00:33:32,330 --> 00:33:30,539
that just may be his age uh nothing

765
00:33:34,310 --> 00:33:32,340
wrong with that he he seemed very

766
00:33:36,529 --> 00:33:34,320
forthright overall

767
00:33:40,070 --> 00:33:36,539
and uh what do you think about his

768
00:33:42,250 --> 00:33:40,080
demeanor his body language

769
00:33:44,690 --> 00:33:42,260
um uh

770
00:33:46,610 --> 00:33:44,700
you you know there's been a few people

771
00:33:47,889 --> 00:33:46,620
who've like tried to analyze his body

772
00:33:50,450 --> 00:33:47,899
language

773
00:33:52,669 --> 00:33:50,460
attempts for that and I I really know

774
00:33:53,750 --> 00:33:52,679
what I think about that

775
00:33:56,029 --> 00:33:53,760
um

776
00:33:57,649 --> 00:33:56,039
I think some of like you know you see

777
00:33:58,909 --> 00:33:57,659
him shaking his head sometimes when he's

778
00:34:01,669 --> 00:33:58,919
saying something positive and

779
00:34:03,049 --> 00:34:01,679
affirmative but I think it struck me as

780
00:34:05,450 --> 00:34:03,059
it's like he's looking at the

781
00:34:08,030 --> 00:34:05,460
incredulity of the whole thing like

782
00:34:09,230 --> 00:34:08,040
I I didn't find his body language to be

783
00:34:11,570 --> 00:34:09,240
a problem

784
00:34:13,669 --> 00:34:11,580
I just found him to be

785
00:34:15,409 --> 00:34:13,679
is a young guy you know he's a young guy

786
00:34:16,369 --> 00:34:15,419
who has

787
00:34:18,950 --> 00:34:16,379
um

788
00:34:20,629 --> 00:34:18,960
a certain demeanor that you would see

789
00:34:24,430 --> 00:34:20,639
from a younger guy not an older guy

790
00:34:28,310 --> 00:34:24,440
that's about it but I I didn't find him

791
00:34:30,829 --> 00:34:28,320
uh clearly deceptive in in his demeanor

792
00:34:32,869 --> 00:34:30,839
to as I looked at him

793
00:34:35,810 --> 00:34:32,879
one of the things

794
00:34:38,030 --> 00:34:35,820
um that you uh like to say and have said

795
00:34:42,169 --> 00:34:38,040
over the years right we can't put the

796
00:34:44,990 --> 00:34:42,179
toothpaste back in the tube and and if

797
00:34:48,050 --> 00:34:45,000
we go back to December of 2017 New York

798
00:34:49,990 --> 00:34:48,060
Times it's Leslie Kanan Ralph Blumenthal

799
00:34:54,770 --> 00:34:50,000
here we are five and a half years later

800
00:34:57,290 --> 00:34:54,780
it's Leslie and Ralph again right uh a

801
00:35:00,290 --> 00:34:57,300
complete Grand Slam home run bottom of

802
00:35:04,070 --> 00:35:00,300
the ninth in the World Series uh it

803
00:35:06,890 --> 00:35:04,080
twice it doesn't happen in in journalism

804
00:35:11,530 --> 00:35:06,900
uh that often

805
00:35:14,210 --> 00:35:11,540
um when when Leslie uh was asked about

806
00:35:16,670 --> 00:35:14,220
uh the vetting of sources and and

807
00:35:18,109 --> 00:35:16,680
looking at documents

808
00:35:22,550 --> 00:35:18,119
um she looked straight at the camera and

809
00:35:25,310 --> 00:35:22,560
said I I I'm I'm I'm a professional and

810
00:35:27,530 --> 00:35:25,320
I have my relationships and and I know

811
00:35:29,870 --> 00:35:27,540
what's going on and I've researched this

812
00:35:31,910 --> 00:35:29,880
and and Ralph and I are not going to

813
00:35:34,670 --> 00:35:31,920
publish something that that we're not

814
00:35:37,490 --> 00:35:34,680
going to stand behind you can't really

815
00:35:39,650 --> 00:35:37,500
say better than that can you no

816
00:35:42,530 --> 00:35:39,660
something else about this story that I

817
00:35:44,210 --> 00:35:42,540
don't know if I've heard anyone uh State

818
00:35:47,329 --> 00:35:44,220
explicitly but I think we all kind of

819
00:35:50,990 --> 00:35:47,339
implicitly understand which is

820
00:35:51,890 --> 00:35:51,000
this article crosses the red line it

821
00:35:54,290 --> 00:35:51,900
does

822
00:35:56,750 --> 00:35:54,300
this is the red line of disclosure which

823
00:35:59,690 --> 00:35:56,760
is the allegation that the United States

824
00:36:01,430 --> 00:35:59,700
government has acquired technology from

825
00:36:03,650 --> 00:36:01,440
extraterrestrials aliens and the reason

826
00:36:06,410 --> 00:36:03,660
it's a red line is that it

827
00:36:09,290 --> 00:36:06,420
proves if it's true it proves that there

828
00:36:11,510 --> 00:36:09,300
has been a long-standing cover-up and

829
00:36:13,190 --> 00:36:11,520
deception by the United States

830
00:36:16,190 --> 00:36:13,200
government against the people of the

831
00:36:18,470 --> 00:36:16,200
United States and the world and this is

832
00:36:19,609 --> 00:36:18,480
you know when when uh when those two did

833
00:36:21,349 --> 00:36:19,619
their articles for the New York Times

834
00:36:24,290 --> 00:36:21,359
including their final one for the New

835
00:36:25,670 --> 00:36:24,300
York Times which was in July of 2020.

836
00:36:28,069 --> 00:36:25,680
and that was an interesting one because

837
00:36:29,990 --> 00:36:28,079
they quoted Eric Davis Dr Davis at

838
00:36:41,170 --> 00:36:30,000
length in that or at least at some

839
00:36:47,810 --> 00:36:43,970
the thing is right in 2020 they quoted

840
00:36:50,750 --> 00:36:47,820
Davis and and in that article

841
00:36:52,609 --> 00:36:50,760
they came within a the breadth of a

842
00:36:54,290 --> 00:36:52,619
human hair of going over that line and

843
00:36:56,690 --> 00:36:54,300
basically saying yeah there's been

844
00:36:58,670 --> 00:36:56,700
retrieval of of alien technology they

845
00:37:01,250 --> 00:36:58,680
didn't quite do it they came very very

846
00:37:04,430 --> 00:37:01,260
close that was in the New York Times

847
00:37:06,410 --> 00:37:04,440
and uh I think you know I think we've

848
00:37:08,150 --> 00:37:06,420
heard that they initially wanted the New

849
00:37:10,370 --> 00:37:08,160
York Times to do this story in the New

850
00:37:13,130 --> 00:37:10,380
York Times passed on it

851
00:37:15,890 --> 00:37:13,140
and that makes sense to me as well

852
00:37:17,569 --> 00:37:15,900
because the New York Times is still very

853
00:37:19,609 --> 00:37:17,579
much an uh instrument for the

854
00:37:20,870 --> 00:37:19,619
establishment and they are still very

855
00:37:21,950 --> 00:37:20,880
much in bed with the intelligence

856
00:37:24,950 --> 00:37:21,960
community in the National Security

857
00:37:27,050 --> 00:37:24,960
community and uh clearly there's enough

858
00:37:28,849 --> 00:37:27,060
loyalty in there for them not to run

859
00:37:31,190 --> 00:37:28,859
this story because this shows the United

860
00:37:34,849 --> 00:37:31,200
States government to be engaged in a

861
00:37:37,250 --> 00:37:34,859
well in a 75 plus year-long conspiracy

862
00:37:39,470 --> 00:37:37,260
against the truth and against

863
00:37:41,150 --> 00:37:39,480
against its own principles of

864
00:37:45,170 --> 00:37:41,160
transparency in government like they

865
00:37:46,430 --> 00:37:45,180
just lied they've lied and and we're you

866
00:37:48,829 --> 00:37:46,440
know I've said this many times but we

867
00:37:50,270 --> 00:37:48,839
are in an era Jimmy where you and I and

868
00:37:52,849 --> 00:37:50,280
all listeners are not supposed to

869
00:37:55,190 --> 00:37:52,859
believe in conspiracy theories

870
00:37:57,109 --> 00:37:55,200
there is a concerted effort going

871
00:37:59,750 --> 00:37:57,119
through Google's helping with all you

872
00:38:00,530 --> 00:37:59,760
know the uh intelligence Community to do

873
00:38:03,530 --> 00:38:00,540
this

874
00:38:05,990 --> 00:38:03,540
to to search for what they call

875
00:38:09,109 --> 00:38:06,000
conspiracy theories at scale that is

876
00:38:11,510 --> 00:38:09,119
just scouring the web using and you

877
00:38:15,170 --> 00:38:11,520
could we have to assume using extremely

878
00:38:17,329 --> 00:38:15,180
Advanced AI algorithms now to disable

879
00:38:19,010 --> 00:38:17,339
Shadow ban and you know minimize what

880
00:38:20,630 --> 00:38:19,020
they consider to be conspiracy theories

881
00:38:23,990 --> 00:38:20,640
and yet what's what's a bigger

882
00:38:26,329 --> 00:38:24,000
conspiracy theory than the UFO cover-up

883
00:38:28,790 --> 00:38:26,339
maybe nothing probably nothing and so

884
00:38:31,130 --> 00:38:28,800
this

885
00:38:34,190 --> 00:38:31,140
the article by Leslie and Ralph Ross's

886
00:38:36,290 --> 00:38:34,200
interview that followed up uh some of

887
00:38:38,390 --> 00:38:36,300
the other journalism that's come out I

888
00:38:40,430 --> 00:38:38,400
was looking at an article by uh I didn't

889
00:38:43,550 --> 00:38:40,440
know this man Michael uh schellenberger

890
00:38:45,109 --> 00:38:43,560
on a sub stack which talks about

891
00:38:47,329 --> 00:38:45,119
um

892
00:38:49,910 --> 00:38:47,339
you know Witnesses talking about that 12

893
00:38:51,230 --> 00:38:49,920
to 15 alien craft in possession uh

894
00:38:52,910 --> 00:38:51,240
possessed by the US government or

895
00:38:55,849 --> 00:38:52,920
contractors I don't know where his

896
00:38:58,130 --> 00:38:55,859
sources are but again uh this I think is

897
00:39:00,050 --> 00:38:58,140
this kind of stuff floating around in um

898
00:39:03,410 --> 00:39:00,060
Congressional testimony

899
00:39:04,730 --> 00:39:03,420
so so these types of stories that are

900
00:39:07,190 --> 00:39:04,740
now

901
00:39:09,190 --> 00:39:07,200
filtering out

902
00:39:12,589 --> 00:39:09,200
the the real question is going to be

903
00:39:15,710 --> 00:39:12,599
well they get mainstream establishment

904
00:39:17,510 --> 00:39:15,720
traction will CNN and the New York Times

905
00:39:20,810 --> 00:39:17,520
cover it will The Washington Post cover

906
00:39:22,970 --> 00:39:20,820
it because if they do

907
00:39:25,550 --> 00:39:22,980
it's going to be

908
00:39:28,370 --> 00:39:25,560
to see how they handle it are they gonna

909
00:39:31,790 --> 00:39:28,380
if if they don't debunk it

910
00:39:33,230 --> 00:39:31,800
if they don't debunk grush and what he's

911
00:39:37,310 --> 00:39:33,240
saying

912
00:39:38,990 --> 00:39:37,320
they are opening the door for a massive

913
00:39:41,930 --> 00:39:39,000
reevaluation

914
00:39:46,010 --> 00:39:41,940
of the last 80 years of History we are

915
00:39:47,270 --> 00:39:46,020
this close to that we are very close to

916
00:40:22,550 --> 00:39:47,280
a

917
00:40:24,410 --> 00:40:22,560
um it is

918
00:40:27,910 --> 00:40:24,420
huge news

919
00:40:31,670 --> 00:40:27,920
but it's another the one of the points

920
00:40:34,690 --> 00:40:31,680
that has has come out

921
00:40:38,870 --> 00:40:34,700
is that this information

922
00:40:42,829 --> 00:40:38,880
that convinced David grush to to come

923
00:40:45,410 --> 00:40:42,839
out as a a as a whistleblower is now in

924
00:40:46,970 --> 00:40:45,420
the hands of Congress it is now in the

925
00:40:48,530 --> 00:40:46,980
hands of the Senate intelligence

926
00:40:51,230 --> 00:40:48,540
committee right

927
00:40:53,150 --> 00:40:51,240
um they have both houses have now gone

928
00:40:56,390 --> 00:40:53,160
on the record saying that they are

929
00:40:58,849 --> 00:40:56,400
scheduling hearings now yeah this is

930
00:41:01,430 --> 00:40:58,859
this is significant because what we've

931
00:41:04,250 --> 00:41:01,440
had up till now are not hearings no no

932
00:41:06,710 --> 00:41:04,260
no and and and it was never we've had

933
00:41:09,589 --> 00:41:06,720
briefings it was never alien bodies and

934
00:41:12,109 --> 00:41:09,599
flying saucers that's right Andre Carson

935
00:41:16,130 --> 00:41:12,119
the last actual hearings we had were in

936
00:41:18,050 --> 00:41:16,140
1968 man a long time long time ago so

937
00:41:20,210 --> 00:41:18,060
those were hearings we have not had

938
00:41:22,190 --> 00:41:20,220
hearings since then we've had briefings

939
00:41:24,230 --> 00:41:22,200
and they were you know very low level

940
00:41:26,089 --> 00:41:24,240
often kind of boring and that type of

941
00:41:27,410 --> 00:41:26,099
thing so this is different

942
00:41:29,990 --> 00:41:27,420
and actually I was just going through my

943
00:41:32,089 --> 00:41:30,000
notes on schellenberg's piece uh and I'm

944
00:41:33,650 --> 00:41:32,099
just going to write like basically what

945
00:41:35,829 --> 00:41:33,660
he was saying is that there have been

946
00:41:38,030 --> 00:41:35,839
many sources including high-ranking

947
00:41:39,829 --> 00:41:38,040
intelligence officials and former

948
00:41:42,950 --> 00:41:39,839
intelligence officials who have come

949
00:41:44,990 --> 00:41:42,960
forward to support gracious claims

950
00:41:46,430 --> 00:41:45,000
and they apparently and this is a

951
00:41:47,870 --> 00:41:46,440
collective I don't have any names here I

952
00:41:50,030 --> 00:41:47,880
don't think there's any names out but

953
00:41:52,250 --> 00:41:50,040
they have said that the government and

954
00:41:55,790 --> 00:41:52,260
Military contractors have at least a

955
00:41:57,190 --> 00:41:55,800
dozen or more alien craft I think six

956
00:42:00,470 --> 00:41:57,200
were said to be in pretty good condition

957
00:42:02,930 --> 00:42:00,480
six were said to be uh pretty badly

958
00:42:04,970 --> 00:42:02,940
damaged and maybe there's a couple more

959
00:42:06,950 --> 00:42:04,980
so all of this is ready to come out like

960
00:42:10,609 --> 00:42:06,960
I mean can this come out in hearings

961
00:42:13,550 --> 00:42:10,619
right right right right right I I I

962
00:42:16,730 --> 00:42:14,690
um

963
00:42:19,370 --> 00:42:16,740
Jim shell

964
00:42:22,370 --> 00:42:19,380
a former Chief scientist of the space

965
00:42:25,609 --> 00:42:22,380
Innovation and Development Center at Air

966
00:42:29,690 --> 00:42:25,619
Force space command wrote on LinkedIn

967
00:42:32,569 --> 00:42:29,700
last week to support David Crush

968
00:42:35,290 --> 00:42:32,579
Michelle wrote on LinkedIn and this is

969
00:42:39,290 --> 00:42:35,300
this is a direct quote are you ready

970
00:42:42,290 --> 00:42:39,300
quote I will vouch for the Integrity of

971
00:42:45,589 --> 00:42:42,300
Dave grush getting to the bottom of this

972
00:42:48,170 --> 00:42:45,599
is Elusive and problematic to say the

973
00:42:50,690 --> 00:42:48,180
least I will assert no matter the

974
00:42:54,310 --> 00:42:50,700
conclusion of extraterrestrial materials

975
00:42:58,490 --> 00:42:54,320
or not the dod and the IC security

976
00:43:01,490 --> 00:42:58,500
apparatus is in trouble and unwitting

977
00:43:06,230 --> 00:43:01,500
accomplices are fostering an abusive

978
00:43:08,930 --> 00:43:06,240
system end quote holy crap yeah that's

979
00:43:11,089 --> 00:43:08,940
really nice by saying unwitting I'm sure

980
00:43:13,069 --> 00:43:11,099
they're not all unwitting yeah that's

981
00:43:15,109 --> 00:43:13,079
right that's right yeah but but that's

982
00:43:17,410 --> 00:43:15,119
where we are and so this is a

983
00:43:20,569 --> 00:43:17,420
substantial statement that's important

984
00:43:23,750 --> 00:43:20,579
extremely substantial and so these

985
00:43:25,670 --> 00:43:23,760
hearings are is it's going to be like

986
00:43:26,930 --> 00:43:25,680
um you know when Howard Hughes was in

987
00:43:28,790 --> 00:43:26,940
front of the Senate and he's got his

988
00:43:29,630 --> 00:43:28,800
attorney next to him whispering in his

989
00:43:32,450 --> 00:43:29,640
ear and they're covering the mind

990
00:43:35,870 --> 00:43:32,460
microphone and you've got 600 people

991
00:43:39,410 --> 00:43:35,880
packed in the the chambers and it you

992
00:43:41,150 --> 00:43:39,420
know you can think about Watergate or or

993
00:43:43,309 --> 00:43:41,160
you know these other

994
00:43:46,730 --> 00:43:43,319
um uh you know Howard Hughes what was

995
00:43:49,730 --> 00:43:46,740
the that scene from uh got uh Godfather

996
00:43:52,150 --> 00:43:49,740
Part Two right you know what I mean I

997
00:43:54,530 --> 00:43:52,160
remember that yeah yeah yeah yeah

998
00:43:58,490 --> 00:43:54,540
do you think it's going to be a media

999
00:44:01,370 --> 00:43:58,500
circus like that uh I don't know I don't

1000
00:44:02,990 --> 00:44:01,380
know ma'am I do not know because as I

1001
00:44:04,849 --> 00:44:03,000
was saying earlier I I was just chatting

1002
00:44:07,370 --> 00:44:04,859
with a friend this evening he had not

1003
00:44:09,530 --> 00:44:07,380
the slightest idea

1004
00:44:11,630 --> 00:44:09,540
that this was going on hey he's a smart

1005
00:44:14,089 --> 00:44:11,640
guy he just you know didn't follow this

1006
00:44:15,950 --> 00:44:14,099
so I think there's a lot of people out

1007
00:44:17,510 --> 00:44:15,960
there like we're we are in our little

1008
00:44:19,670 --> 00:44:17,520
UFO bubble

1009
00:44:21,589 --> 00:44:19,680
our UAP bubble we can call it that we

1010
00:44:24,470 --> 00:44:21,599
those of us

1011
00:44:26,390 --> 00:44:24,480
who follow this we live it we breathe it

1012
00:44:28,190 --> 00:44:26,400
but there's a big world out there and I

1013
00:44:31,430 --> 00:44:28,200
still think there's many many people who

1014
00:44:32,569 --> 00:44:31,440
are not very up to date with what's

1015
00:44:35,510 --> 00:44:32,579
going on

1016
00:44:37,430 --> 00:44:35,520
so it's entirely possible I mean it's

1017
00:44:39,290 --> 00:44:37,440
crazy to say this but I say it is

1018
00:44:42,710 --> 00:44:39,300
possible that we could have hearings

1019
00:44:44,809 --> 00:44:42,720
real hearings and

1020
00:44:46,670 --> 00:44:44,819
will people really know how many people

1021
00:44:49,250 --> 00:44:46,680
back in the late 60s knew that there

1022
00:44:51,170 --> 00:44:49,260
were Congressional hearings on UFOs back

1023
00:44:54,109 --> 00:44:51,180
then I don't know actually but probably

1024
00:44:55,490 --> 00:44:54,119
many did not these things just go by the

1025
00:44:58,370 --> 00:44:55,500
board I mean if you're interested you

1026
00:45:01,130 --> 00:44:58,380
can follow it the real thing will be

1027
00:45:03,710 --> 00:45:01,140
I think the only thing that will change

1028
00:45:05,569 --> 00:45:03,720
this is I can't believe I'm saying this

1029
00:45:08,210 --> 00:45:05,579
but it's what Steve Bassett has been

1030
00:45:10,010 --> 00:45:08,220
saying all along if the president of the

1031
00:45:13,010 --> 00:45:10,020
United States says it

1032
00:45:15,589 --> 00:45:13,020
I think honestly that is like the only

1033
00:45:17,930 --> 00:45:15,599
the only thing that's going to change

1034
00:45:19,309 --> 00:45:17,940
this and I don't know what else really

1035
00:45:21,650 --> 00:45:19,319
will do it

1036
00:45:24,170 --> 00:45:21,660
maybe maybe there's a couple of halfway

1037
00:45:26,510 --> 00:45:24,180
points so for example if there really is

1038
00:45:28,790 --> 00:45:26,520
powerful testimony that is given during

1039
00:45:32,809 --> 00:45:28,800
the hearings

1040
00:45:35,450 --> 00:45:32,819
um maybe that will cause a a quickening

1041
00:45:37,790 --> 00:45:35,460
of the boulder going down the hill

1042
00:45:41,510 --> 00:45:37,800
but I I just think

1043
00:45:44,210 --> 00:45:41,520
I I mean our media our government has

1044
00:45:45,770 --> 00:45:44,220
done an incredible job at stonewalling

1045
00:45:48,710 --> 00:45:45,780
on all kinds of issues and not just

1046
00:45:51,530 --> 00:45:48,720
stonewalling but just out and out lying

1047
00:45:56,450 --> 00:45:53,270
you know it really depends on how this

1048
00:45:59,390 --> 00:45:56,460
factional war ends up I think

1049
00:46:01,430 --> 00:45:59,400
if if they're able to Stonewall this for

1050
00:46:03,410 --> 00:46:01,440
another decade they'll just they'll do

1051
00:46:06,109 --> 00:46:03,420
it they'll Stonewall as long as they as

1052
00:46:08,470 --> 00:46:06,119
long as they can I think

1053
00:46:12,890 --> 00:46:08,480
there there's got to be

1054
00:46:15,170 --> 00:46:12,900
a monetary interest big time in

1055
00:46:17,809 --> 00:46:15,180
maintaining this secret there's got to

1056
00:46:19,370 --> 00:46:17,819
be there have got to be powerful you

1057
00:46:21,290 --> 00:46:19,380
know you think about the contractors

1058
00:46:24,230 --> 00:46:21,300
that undoubtedly have access to this

1059
00:46:27,890 --> 00:46:24,240
this technology or these craft

1060
00:46:30,950 --> 00:46:27,900
and they have got to want to maintain a

1061
00:46:33,349 --> 00:46:30,960
monopoly over possessing this stuff

1062
00:46:37,010 --> 00:46:33,359
if you're if you've got this magical

1063
00:46:39,230 --> 00:46:37,020
future technology in your possession why

1064
00:46:41,210 --> 00:46:39,240
would you ever want to share that with

1065
00:46:44,329 --> 00:46:41,220
anyone else this is like your magical

1066
00:46:45,950 --> 00:46:44,339
secret weapon for the future you can it

1067
00:46:47,329 --> 00:46:45,960
gives you all kinds of ideas and power

1068
00:46:50,690 --> 00:46:47,339
and Technology you don't want to share

1069
00:46:53,089 --> 00:46:50,700
that never want to share that so I think

1070
00:46:54,710 --> 00:46:53,099
it really will come down to who is the

1071
00:46:56,030 --> 00:46:54,720
stronger faction

1072
00:46:57,050 --> 00:46:56,040
that's what I think because I don't know

1073
00:46:58,849 --> 00:46:57,060
if truth is really going to make a

1074
00:47:00,650 --> 00:46:58,859
difference here I think it's which

1075
00:47:03,589 --> 00:47:00,660
faction in our

1076
00:47:07,430 --> 00:47:03,599
National Security power structure

1077
00:47:10,010 --> 00:47:07,440
is able to get the upper hand here and

1078
00:47:12,890 --> 00:47:10,020
it you know we're at a point where

1079
00:47:14,510 --> 00:47:12,900
for the first time uh maybe in a long

1080
00:47:16,970 --> 00:47:14,520
long while maybe ever

1081
00:47:20,750 --> 00:47:16,980
it does look possible

1082
00:47:22,849 --> 00:47:20,760
for the side of UFO openness uh an

1083
00:47:25,370 --> 00:47:22,859
ending of what Steve always calls the

1084
00:47:27,170 --> 00:47:25,380
truth embargo that that may

1085
00:47:30,050 --> 00:47:27,180
you can actually see it happening you

1086
00:47:31,970 --> 00:47:30,060
can see it as a possibility after that

1087
00:47:33,470 --> 00:47:31,980
what then that's a whole other can of

1088
00:47:35,210 --> 00:47:33,480
worms but

1089
00:47:36,770 --> 00:47:35,220
it's at least possible it's kind of an

1090
00:47:40,510 --> 00:47:36,780
amazing thing to see

1091
00:47:42,770 --> 00:47:40,520
did you uh um

1092
00:47:45,050 --> 00:47:42,780
there always has to be somebody first

1093
00:47:46,849 --> 00:47:45,060
right no matter what there's got to be

1094
00:47:48,770 --> 00:47:46,859
somebody to open the first doors got to

1095
00:47:51,770 --> 00:47:48,780
be somebody's got to walk in somebody's

1096
00:47:54,130 --> 00:47:51,780
got to be the first one to test out the

1097
00:47:57,650 --> 00:47:54,140
new roller coaster right somebody's

1098
00:48:00,890 --> 00:47:57,660
there's a first you know and did you

1099
00:48:04,250 --> 00:48:00,900
picture the first you know in this

1100
00:48:09,349 --> 00:48:04,260
situation to be somebody like a David

1101
00:48:13,309 --> 00:48:09,359
grush who is uh credentialed his CV his

1102
00:48:18,410 --> 00:48:13,319
uh his resume is right there we know

1103
00:48:20,329 --> 00:48:18,420
everything did you picture that and well

1104
00:48:22,190 --> 00:48:20,339
you you were telling me you love reading

1105
00:48:24,530 --> 00:48:22,200
uh volume one of UFOs and National

1106
00:48:25,550 --> 00:48:24,540
Security State which or which thank you

1107
00:48:27,829 --> 00:48:25,560
by the way

1108
00:48:30,470 --> 00:48:27,839
but I I did another book with Bryce Abel

1109
00:48:33,790 --> 00:48:30,480
called ad after disclosure and that was

1110
00:48:36,770 --> 00:48:33,800
in 2010. we wrote that book 13 years ago

1111
00:48:38,450 --> 00:48:36,780
and we I'm going to tell you looking

1112
00:48:40,490 --> 00:48:38,460
back over it

1113
00:48:43,250 --> 00:48:40,500
it's kind of amazing it was a different

1114
00:48:46,910 --> 00:48:43,260
world in 2010 a very different world but

1115
00:48:50,690 --> 00:48:46,920
what we tried to do was to kind of game

1116
00:48:53,870 --> 00:48:50,700
play out uh how could UFO secrecy and

1117
00:48:56,210 --> 00:48:53,880
what what factors could spark this and

1118
00:48:58,309 --> 00:48:56,220
and then of course most of our book was

1119
00:48:59,750 --> 00:48:58,319
on what would happen if that if that

1120
00:49:01,849 --> 00:48:59,760
were to occur how would that affect our

1121
00:49:04,130 --> 00:49:01,859
society but one of the ways that we we

1122
00:49:07,490 --> 00:49:04,140
saw a few things that could cause

1123
00:49:10,370 --> 00:49:07,500
a kind of cracking of the UFO wall of

1124
00:49:11,750 --> 00:49:10,380
secrecy one was a major sighting that

1125
00:49:14,870 --> 00:49:11,760
was like our major that was our first

1126
00:49:16,849 --> 00:49:14,880
choice uh two I'm trying to think back

1127
00:49:19,069 --> 00:49:16,859
was like a Wikileaks type of a thing you

1128
00:49:21,290 --> 00:49:19,079
know where uh

1129
00:49:23,030 --> 00:49:21,300
right but one of them that we did

1130
00:49:25,430 --> 00:49:23,040
absolutely talk about was the

1131
00:49:27,589 --> 00:49:25,440
possibility of a of a credible

1132
00:49:29,930 --> 00:49:27,599
government Insider

1133
00:49:31,309 --> 00:49:29,940
who decided to go public this is

1134
00:49:33,050 --> 00:49:31,319
something that we really wanted at the

1135
00:49:35,450 --> 00:49:33,060
time we're like you know someone of the

1136
00:49:37,730 --> 00:49:35,460
Statue of like Colin Powell like like

1137
00:49:41,450 --> 00:49:37,740
highest level like Joint Chiefs of Staff

1138
00:49:43,970 --> 00:49:41,460
uh I don't think that Bryce or I were

1139
00:49:46,069 --> 00:49:43,980
actively thinking of kind of a lower

1140
00:49:48,109 --> 00:49:46,079
level of mid-level intelligence officer

1141
00:49:51,650 --> 00:49:48,119
like like Rush

1142
00:49:54,829 --> 00:49:51,660
but frankly he fits the bill he has he

1143
00:49:58,609 --> 00:49:54,839
has sufficient credentials to be able to

1144
00:50:00,829 --> 00:49:58,619
have that uh armor that public armor to

1145
00:50:03,650 --> 00:50:00,839
go out and make the statement that he

1146
00:50:05,930 --> 00:50:03,660
did so I think yeah we did

1147
00:50:09,470 --> 00:50:05,940
um when we wrote after disclosure this

1148
00:50:10,130 --> 00:50:09,480
was one of the scenarios we looked at

1149
00:50:12,170 --> 00:50:10,140
um

1150
00:50:14,750 --> 00:50:12,180
okay so we have

1151
00:50:16,970 --> 00:50:14,760
we have three basic branches of of

1152
00:50:20,030 --> 00:50:16,980
government we're not going to get into

1153
00:50:22,510 --> 00:50:20,040
uh a class on politics right now but we

1154
00:50:27,950 --> 00:50:22,520
have three branches of government right

1155
00:50:31,849 --> 00:50:27,960
and when we deal with the representative

1156
00:50:35,150 --> 00:50:31,859
side of it we have a couple of different

1157
00:50:40,309 --> 00:50:35,160
houses and local governments and so

1158
00:50:43,069 --> 00:50:40,319
forth but it appears that

1159
00:50:46,309 --> 00:50:43,079
um the way that this is playing out

1160
00:50:50,170 --> 00:50:46,319
is that none of those branches the

1161
00:50:53,569 --> 00:50:50,180
judicial the executive right that nobody

1162
00:50:57,230 --> 00:50:53,579
knew about any of this

1163
00:51:00,650 --> 00:50:57,240
and that is what is so surprising that I

1164
00:51:04,849 --> 00:51:00,660
think there are certain expectations

1165
00:51:08,329 --> 00:51:04,859
um that you are uh you are allowed

1166
00:51:10,250 --> 00:51:08,339
access to just about anything if you

1167
00:51:13,730 --> 00:51:10,260
have the clearances for that and you can

1168
00:51:15,950 --> 00:51:13,740
get questions answered this situation uh

1169
00:51:18,549 --> 00:51:15,960
with Crush coming forward that we have

1170
00:51:22,010 --> 00:51:18,559
flying saucers and we have alien bodies

1171
00:51:26,270 --> 00:51:22,020
that nobody knows about this and they

1172
00:51:27,829 --> 00:51:26,280
were assuming that they should and that

1173
00:51:29,450 --> 00:51:27,839
is where the heart attacks are happening

1174
00:51:32,030 --> 00:51:29,460
right

1175
00:51:33,950 --> 00:51:32,040
our government is like a dead body you

1176
00:51:36,650 --> 00:51:33,960
find on the side of the road

1177
00:51:38,450 --> 00:51:36,660
you walk along the sidewalk and you see

1178
00:51:40,849 --> 00:51:38,460
this dead guy there and you're like oh

1179
00:51:42,109 --> 00:51:40,859
wow looks like a dead person you take a

1180
00:51:43,430 --> 00:51:42,119
little stick and you poke it and he's

1181
00:51:45,170 --> 00:51:43,440
not moving

1182
00:51:46,670 --> 00:51:45,180
but then you think oh but he's wearing

1183
00:51:49,130 --> 00:51:46,680
the same clothes I saw him wearing

1184
00:51:50,690 --> 00:51:49,140
yesterday he must be fine

1185
00:51:54,589 --> 00:51:50,700
that's our government

1186
00:51:55,790 --> 00:51:54,599
we have the trappings are the same as

1187
00:51:58,309 --> 00:51:55,800
they've always been

1188
00:51:59,809 --> 00:51:58,319
you have presidency the executive branch

1189
00:52:02,329 --> 00:51:59,819
you've got the Congress you've got the

1190
00:52:04,670 --> 00:52:02,339
Judiciary they're all still there

1191
00:52:06,829 --> 00:52:04,680
the body just happens to be dead

1192
00:52:08,690 --> 00:52:06,839
and just like in the movie Alien you got

1193
00:52:11,450 --> 00:52:08,700
the thing growing inside the body about

1194
00:52:13,970 --> 00:52:11,460
to come out that's what we have and we

1195
00:52:16,670 --> 00:52:13,980
have had that we've had that definitely

1196
00:52:18,230 --> 00:52:16,680
since the end of the second World War

1197
00:52:19,730 --> 00:52:18,240
and you could even make an argument that

1198
00:52:22,190 --> 00:52:19,740
it started earlier than that but what we

1199
00:52:24,109 --> 00:52:22,200
have is an Empire we have a national

1200
00:52:26,030 --> 00:52:24,119
security Empire

1201
00:52:27,530 --> 00:52:26,040
this is why they killed candidate my

1202
00:52:28,849 --> 00:52:27,540
friend

1203
00:52:29,930 --> 00:52:28,859
I mean you think about I don't want to

1204
00:52:31,309 --> 00:52:29,940
make this whole thing about Kennedy but

1205
00:52:33,410 --> 00:52:31,319
just stop and think

1206
00:52:35,750 --> 00:52:33,420
those guys not only killed the president

1207
00:52:37,250 --> 00:52:35,760
in basically what was a coup

1208
00:52:38,870 --> 00:52:37,260
but then they killed the guy that they

1209
00:52:40,490 --> 00:52:38,880
framed to kill him

1210
00:52:42,589 --> 00:52:40,500
and then they killed the guy who killed

1211
00:52:43,790 --> 00:52:42,599
the guy that they framed to kill him and

1212
00:52:45,049 --> 00:52:43,800
they killed the journalist who

1213
00:52:47,210 --> 00:52:45,059
interviewed the guy who killed the guy

1214
00:52:49,010 --> 00:52:47,220
who framed was framely kill like Dorothy

1215
00:52:51,230 --> 00:52:49,020
killed Allen they killed uh everyone

1216
00:52:53,390 --> 00:52:51,240
else involved with David Ferry and they

1217
00:52:54,950 --> 00:52:53,400
killed Mary pitchett Meyer who was one

1218
00:52:56,270 --> 00:52:54,960
of the lovers of John F Kennedy like

1219
00:52:57,829 --> 00:52:56,280
they killed

1220
00:53:03,470 --> 00:52:57,839
everyone

1221
00:53:06,109 --> 00:53:03,480
with it that's our government my friend

1222
00:53:08,270 --> 00:53:06,119
that is what we have and we do to this

1223
00:53:10,609 --> 00:53:08,280
day we don't talk about that we can't

1224
00:53:14,270 --> 00:53:10,619
have an honest conversation but this is

1225
00:53:16,370 --> 00:53:14,280
what we have it's a mafia State sorry to

1226
00:53:18,530 --> 00:53:16,380
sound so hyperbolic here but what else

1227
00:53:21,349 --> 00:53:18,540
can it be when you get away with a crime

1228
00:53:24,470 --> 00:53:21,359
like that against John F Kennedy and so

1229
00:53:27,410 --> 00:53:24,480
these are the people running our show

1230
00:53:28,910 --> 00:53:27,420
and all of the the executive legislative

1231
00:53:32,030 --> 00:53:28,920
judicial branch

1232
00:53:34,309 --> 00:53:32,040
yeah they're not totally dead okay maybe

1233
00:53:35,569 --> 00:53:34,319
I overstated it a little bit they still

1234
00:53:38,690 --> 00:53:35,579
can kind of function and do certain

1235
00:53:41,030 --> 00:53:38,700
things but fundamentally who's actually

1236
00:53:44,150 --> 00:53:41,040
running it we have an Empire to run here

1237
00:53:46,730 --> 00:53:44,160
they're running a global Empire where

1238
00:53:48,530 --> 00:53:46,740
we've got military bases 800 bases in

1239
00:53:50,510 --> 00:53:48,540
countries around the world

1240
00:53:53,030 --> 00:53:50,520
this is what it is this is not it's like

1241
00:53:55,010 --> 00:53:53,040
with Rome Rome started as a republic it

1242
00:53:56,990 --> 00:53:55,020
was very well designed their system for

1243
00:53:58,790 --> 00:53:57,000
Romans living in Rome then they get an

1244
00:54:01,250 --> 00:53:58,800
Empire and suddenly the Senate's like

1245
00:54:03,049 --> 00:54:01,260
how do we run this they can't

1246
00:54:05,329 --> 00:54:03,059
they're not equipped it's the same with

1247
00:54:08,809 --> 00:54:05,339
our system our system of government was

1248
00:54:11,329 --> 00:54:08,819
is not equipped to run a global Empire

1249
00:54:13,010 --> 00:54:11,339
which is now crumbling by the way

1250
00:54:15,470 --> 00:54:13,020
so so

1251
00:54:17,569 --> 00:54:15,480
this is not ours that the fifth grade

1252
00:54:18,890 --> 00:54:17,579
civics class lesson that we all get you

1253
00:54:21,290 --> 00:54:18,900
know we got the president we got the

1254
00:54:24,710 --> 00:54:21,300
executive the Judiciary

1255
00:54:26,750 --> 00:54:24,720
yeah that's that's fairy tale stuff

1256
00:54:28,970 --> 00:54:26,760
that's not our actual in fact one of the

1257
00:54:31,010 --> 00:54:28,980
problems we have in this world of ours

1258
00:54:34,010 --> 00:54:31,020
in our society is we don't really

1259
00:54:36,410 --> 00:54:34,020
understand what form of government we

1260
00:54:38,450 --> 00:54:36,420
have we don't really understand it what

1261
00:54:39,710 --> 00:54:38,460
the hell do we have who's running this

1262
00:54:41,870 --> 00:54:39,720
thing

1263
00:54:43,670 --> 00:54:41,880
so we don't have an honest conversation

1264
00:54:46,250 --> 00:54:43,680
about where the true Nexus of power

1265
00:54:47,569 --> 00:54:46,260
happened to be and so this is one reason

1266
00:54:49,010 --> 00:54:47,579
it's hard to figure out that UFO

1267
00:54:51,349 --> 00:54:49,020
cover-up by the way

1268
00:54:53,930 --> 00:54:51,359
where is the power is it within the

1269
00:54:56,390 --> 00:54:53,940
Office of the President well

1270
00:54:58,130 --> 00:54:56,400
no it isn't

1271
00:55:00,470 --> 00:54:58,140
you know we talked about the whole Davis

1272
00:55:03,710 --> 00:55:00,480
Wilson notes you know last couple of

1273
00:55:07,069 --> 00:55:03,720
years what does that prove it it shows

1274
00:55:08,450 --> 00:55:07,079
absolutely that formal the formal branch

1275
00:55:09,770 --> 00:55:08,460
of government in this case the

1276
00:55:11,569 --> 00:55:09,780
Department of Defense and The Joint

1277
00:55:13,430 --> 00:55:11,579
Chiefs of Staff

1278
00:55:17,329 --> 00:55:13,440
fundamentally

1279
00:55:18,829 --> 00:55:17,339
was locked out of the UAP reverse

1280
00:55:20,450 --> 00:55:18,839
engineering program that was dominated

1281
00:55:22,549 --> 00:55:20,460
by contractors

1282
00:55:24,170 --> 00:55:22,559
sure there was a couple of DOD guys who

1283
00:55:26,390 --> 00:55:24,180
were like Liaisons and officially

1284
00:55:29,089 --> 00:55:26,400
overseeing it but you really can see in

1285
00:55:30,410 --> 00:55:29,099
the notes themselves DOD almost had had

1286
00:55:31,849 --> 00:55:30,420
really nothing to do with this they were

1287
00:55:34,190 --> 00:55:31,859
just rubber stamping these operations

1288
00:55:36,530 --> 00:55:34,200
these are all private contractors who

1289
00:55:41,470 --> 00:55:36,540
ran it all and this is what that's our

1290
00:55:45,549 --> 00:55:41,480
system and and and that's what is uh

1291
00:55:49,790 --> 00:55:45,559
surprising so so much of uh Capitol Hill

1292
00:55:51,770 --> 00:55:49,800
that they did they don't know the facts

1293
00:55:53,809 --> 00:55:51,780
they don't understand they don't know

1294
00:55:56,510 --> 00:55:53,819
these things if you go back to the

1295
00:55:58,790 --> 00:55:56,520
Wilson Davis document one of the most

1296
00:56:01,690 --> 00:55:58,800
important points in that which now

1297
00:56:05,030 --> 00:56:01,700
Capitol Hill is finding out the hard way

1298
00:56:08,569 --> 00:56:05,040
is they told they told Thomas Wilson

1299
00:56:12,290 --> 00:56:08,579
they go dude do whatever the f you want

1300
00:56:15,950 --> 00:56:12,300
right that's right rap they were not

1301
00:56:18,589 --> 00:56:15,960
scared yeah yeah go go yell go cry go

1302
00:56:20,049 --> 00:56:18,599
back to Washington and talk to whoever

1303
00:56:23,510 --> 00:56:20,059
you want

1304
00:56:26,270 --> 00:56:23,520
bye right and that's exactly what's

1305
00:56:28,490 --> 00:56:26,280
going on and and and Capitol Hill is

1306
00:56:30,250 --> 00:56:28,500
finding out the hard way what we've got

1307
00:56:33,470 --> 00:56:30,260
flying saucers

1308
00:56:36,290 --> 00:56:33,480
what well hearings hearings would be a

1309
00:56:38,270 --> 00:56:36,300
fantastic thing I I would love to see

1310
00:56:41,270 --> 00:56:38,280
hearings and apparently it looks like

1311
00:56:44,450 --> 00:56:41,280
that may happen so if they're done well

1312
00:56:46,910 --> 00:56:44,460
there are hearings that can be done well

1313
00:56:48,530 --> 00:56:46,920
uh there's the famous 1975 Church

1314
00:56:50,690 --> 00:56:48,540
committee hearings on the intelligence

1315
00:56:52,849 --> 00:56:50,700
community and and uh

1316
00:56:54,650 --> 00:56:52,859
they didn't really do a whole lot but

1317
00:56:57,470 --> 00:56:54,660
but they were great in the sense that

1318
00:57:01,190 --> 00:56:57,480
they a lot of information came out and

1319
00:57:03,290 --> 00:57:01,200
if we have something where well for

1320
00:57:08,049 --> 00:57:03,300
everybody let's not get into a history

1321
00:57:12,890 --> 00:57:08,059
lesson but when it came to MK Ultra

1322
00:57:15,730 --> 00:57:12,900
and and the evidence of that and what

1323
00:57:20,470 --> 00:57:15,740
the church hearings brought forward

1324
00:57:23,450 --> 00:57:20,480
every IC agency in the country that was

1325
00:57:24,950 --> 00:57:23,460
started shredding documents yeah right

1326
00:57:27,950 --> 00:57:24,960
yeah that's right that's right that's

1327
00:57:30,770 --> 00:57:27,960
right that's right and and and some some

1328
00:57:33,470 --> 00:57:30,780
of those documents survived uh which

1329
00:57:36,829 --> 00:57:33,480
allowed those hearings uh to go forward

1330
00:57:39,849 --> 00:57:36,839
but the thought of MK Ultra

1331
00:57:43,609 --> 00:57:39,859
now our government would never do that

1332
00:57:46,990 --> 00:57:43,619
one of the craziest conspiracy ideas of

1333
00:57:50,690 --> 00:57:47,000
all time was true

1334
00:57:53,630 --> 00:57:50,700
that's what the church hearings did and

1335
00:57:56,089 --> 00:57:53,640
could it could it could we revisit this

1336
00:57:58,430 --> 00:57:56,099
I I think it's possible

1337
00:58:01,130 --> 00:57:58,440
um how motivated are people like Rubio

1338
00:58:02,930 --> 00:58:01,140
or gillibrand in in really pursuing this

1339
00:58:05,809 --> 00:58:02,940
matter I mean I don't really know

1340
00:58:06,890 --> 00:58:05,819
they've for politicians they talk a bit

1341
00:58:10,130 --> 00:58:06,900
of a game

1342
00:58:12,290 --> 00:58:10,140
they do do they mean it will they really

1343
00:58:13,250 --> 00:58:12,300
go forward with this and I would like to

1344
00:58:15,410 --> 00:58:13,260
see

1345
00:58:17,630 --> 00:58:15,420
or burchett you know some of these

1346
00:58:20,030 --> 00:58:17,640
people who are really into this subject

1347
00:58:21,770 --> 00:58:20,040
or seem to be into the subject so it

1348
00:58:23,270 --> 00:58:21,780
would be um it'll be an interesting

1349
00:58:25,910 --> 00:58:23,280
thing and I don't know how to predict

1350
00:58:27,530 --> 00:58:25,920
any of this uh you know I look at the

1351
00:58:29,990 --> 00:58:27,540
past I'm not I don't know how good I am

1352
00:58:32,690 --> 00:58:30,000
at predicting the future certainly not

1353
00:58:35,030 --> 00:58:32,700
political outcomes like this this is

1354
00:58:37,370 --> 00:58:35,040
we're just going to have to watch it

1355
00:58:39,170 --> 00:58:37,380
happen I suppose but I do think there's

1356
00:58:41,150 --> 00:58:39,180
a lot of interesting potential here and

1357
00:58:42,349 --> 00:58:41,160
if there are genuine hearings that are

1358
00:58:44,089 --> 00:58:42,359
held

1359
00:58:47,390 --> 00:58:44,099
well this is not something that we have

1360
00:58:48,950 --> 00:58:47,400
had in more than 50 years in this

1361
00:58:50,690 --> 00:58:48,960
country and

1362
00:58:52,730 --> 00:58:50,700
and as you were saying earlier I totally

1363
00:58:55,250 --> 00:58:52,740
agree with you like that the subject

1364
00:58:58,490 --> 00:58:55,260
matter has gone way far beyond where it

1365
00:59:00,789 --> 00:58:58,500
was in 1968 when this was done last

1366
00:59:04,490 --> 00:59:00,799
and and and when you're talking about

1367
00:59:06,770 --> 00:59:04,500
retrieval of Technology

1368
00:59:10,069 --> 00:59:06,780
say nothing of bodies

1369
00:59:11,450 --> 00:59:10,079
well it's impossible to avoid the notion

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00:59:15,650 --> 00:59:11,460
of cover-up then what they're going to

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00:59:17,690 --> 00:59:15,660
have to do is go into PR mode and cya

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00:59:19,490 --> 00:59:17,700
mode and they'll just have to come up

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00:59:21,289 --> 00:59:19,500
with the best explanations that they can

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00:59:23,150 --> 00:59:21,299
for lying to the public which of course

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00:59:24,049 --> 00:59:23,160
they're going to do they'll say you know

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00:59:25,609 --> 00:59:24,059
well it was a matter of National

1377
00:59:26,930 --> 00:59:25,619
Security this is a really dangerous

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00:59:27,890 --> 00:59:26,940
thing

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00:59:29,690 --> 00:59:27,900
um

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00:59:31,130 --> 00:59:29,700
and and you know the the questions are

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00:59:33,950 --> 00:59:31,140
just going to begin

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00:59:35,870 --> 00:59:33,960
we we think it's complicated now you

1383
00:59:37,670 --> 00:59:35,880
know all of us you know I've been I've

1384
00:59:40,910 --> 00:59:37,680
been studying UFOs for almost 30 years

1385
00:59:44,390 --> 00:59:40,920
now and it's been it's complicated it

1386
00:59:47,089 --> 00:59:44,400
will go 10 times more complicated if

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00:59:48,589 --> 00:59:47,099
there is even the slightest admission of

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00:59:49,849 --> 00:59:48,599
the reality of this because then we're

1389
00:59:50,990 --> 00:59:49,859
going to start we're getting into the

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00:59:52,549 --> 00:59:51,000
real

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00:59:55,849 --> 00:59:52,559
issue where the rubber meets the road

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00:59:58,250 --> 00:59:55,859
which is who are these beings

1393
00:59:59,930 --> 00:59:58,260
how long have they been here what are

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01:00:01,270 --> 00:59:59,940
they doing has the United States

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01:00:04,010 --> 01:00:01,280
government or any other government

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01:00:05,990 --> 01:00:04,020
collaborated with them in any way

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01:00:09,049 --> 01:00:06,000
such such statements in the past were

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01:00:11,569 --> 01:00:09,059
seen as outrageous well suddenly not so

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01:00:15,289 --> 01:00:11,579
outrageous now if we discover that we've

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01:00:18,230 --> 01:00:15,299
got one or a dozen or 15 of their craft

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01:00:20,750 --> 01:00:18,240
it's not that outrageous the story of uh

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01:00:23,030 --> 01:00:20,760
you know Bill you house like Bill you

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01:00:26,870 --> 01:00:23,040
house who talked about you know j-rod

1404
01:00:29,390 --> 01:00:26,880
and and and creating uh you know testing

1405
01:00:33,230 --> 01:00:29,400
Flying Saucer craft back in the 60s and

1406
01:00:39,490 --> 01:00:33,240
70s is that so outrageous now strawberry

1407
01:00:46,609 --> 01:00:43,069
you brought up a point I've got a break

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01:00:47,990 --> 01:00:46,619
for a commercial but um uh before we get

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01:00:49,370 --> 01:00:48,000
there and then when we come back we'll

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01:00:50,690 --> 01:00:49,380
talk about Stephen Greer and some other

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01:00:53,809 --> 01:00:50,700
stuff sure

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01:00:57,589 --> 01:00:53,819
um is is you mentioned and I agree with

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01:01:00,170 --> 01:00:57,599
you that so many out there

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01:01:01,490 --> 01:01:00,180
um the only thing that is good enough no

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01:01:04,130 --> 01:01:01,500
matter what

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01:01:06,410 --> 01:01:04,140
is the the president doing the live

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01:01:08,690 --> 01:01:06,420
thing from the Oval Office right I

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01:01:12,130 --> 01:01:08,700
suspect so uh

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01:01:14,450 --> 01:01:12,140
if if that doesn't happen

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01:01:18,289 --> 01:01:14,460
what about

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01:01:20,329 --> 01:01:18,299
um uh uh uh members of Congress or or

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01:01:22,329 --> 01:01:20,339
the Senate

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01:01:27,349 --> 01:01:22,339
um getting

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01:01:30,770 --> 01:01:27,359
access and and and going in and seeing

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01:01:34,430 --> 01:01:30,780
these craft for themselves and seeing

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01:01:36,829 --> 01:01:34,440
the the alien bodies for themselves and

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01:01:40,730 --> 01:01:36,839
then coming back and saying okay all

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01:01:43,210 --> 01:01:40,740
right yeah we've seen The Craft

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01:01:46,069 --> 01:01:43,220
um is that is that good enough is it

1430
01:01:47,089 --> 01:01:46,079
well I guess it could be if if that's

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01:01:49,390 --> 01:01:47,099
actually

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01:01:52,370 --> 01:01:49,400
if they are allowed to make a statement

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01:01:54,170 --> 01:01:52,380
in advance of the president

1434
01:01:56,329 --> 01:01:54,180
they're kind of jumping over some lines

1435
01:02:01,789 --> 01:01:56,339
here in terms of protocol it seems to me

1436
01:02:04,250 --> 01:02:01,799
right uh but if if that is the case uh

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01:02:05,809 --> 01:02:04,260
I I don't know I don't know what the uh

1438
01:02:07,670 --> 01:02:05,819
the protocols would be on that but I

1439
01:02:11,750 --> 01:02:07,680
know and do you invite the press in

1440
01:02:17,270 --> 01:02:11,760
right all right Anderson Cooper come on

1441
01:02:19,849 --> 01:02:17,280
in and uh you can do uh CNN live from in

1442
01:02:21,289 --> 01:02:19,859
front of uh the sport model you know

1443
01:02:22,730 --> 01:02:21,299
that would really suck honestly I know

1444
01:02:23,990 --> 01:02:22,740
you got to go to commercial so when you

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01:02:25,069 --> 01:02:24,000
come back maybe I'll tell you why I

1446
01:02:26,990 --> 01:02:25,079
think it would suck if that were to

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01:02:28,430 --> 01:02:27,000
happen let's take a break our guest

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01:02:31,130 --> 01:02:28,440
tonight Richard Dolan we're talking

1449
01:02:33,549 --> 01:02:31,140
about one of the craziest weeks I never

1450
01:02:37,549 --> 01:02:33,559
I didn't I didn't think you know Richard

1451
01:02:39,710 --> 01:02:37,559
December 2017 kind of hard to top and

1452
01:02:43,910 --> 01:02:39,720
then you and I got together in Los

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01:02:46,609 --> 01:02:43,920
Angeles the day of the UAP task force

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01:02:50,030 --> 01:02:46,619
report being released that's right and

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01:02:54,950 --> 01:02:50,040
and we were filming a movie

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01:02:57,950 --> 01:02:54,960
um in Los Angeles while that broke so uh

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01:03:00,049 --> 01:02:57,960
you had said earlier at contact in the

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01:03:02,690 --> 01:03:00,059
desert that you and you know and and

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01:03:04,609 --> 01:03:02,700
everybody got to see sit down and talk

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01:03:07,670 --> 01:03:04,619
through this well we did the same thing

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01:03:12,170 --> 01:03:07,680
it was you uh Willie strieber Linda

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01:03:14,210 --> 01:03:12,180
Moulton Howe uh William Henry myself

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01:03:16,970 --> 01:03:14,220
um am I leaving somebody off of the list

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01:03:18,710 --> 01:03:16,980
of the of the public speakers I think

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01:03:21,289 --> 01:03:18,720
you got them all and they were we had

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01:03:23,450 --> 01:03:21,299
some very very cool production people

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01:03:26,450 --> 01:03:23,460
who were there as well but we were able

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01:03:28,430 --> 01:03:26,460
to sit and talk through this and you

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01:03:31,670 --> 01:03:28,440
know what a what a what a moment that

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01:03:33,589 --> 01:03:31,680
was and I feel like we're going through

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01:03:35,589 --> 01:03:33,599
another one of those moments uh it's

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01:03:39,289 --> 01:03:35,599
been it's been a crazy week

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01:03:41,089 --> 01:03:39,299
yeah let's say exactly let's take a

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01:03:43,970 --> 01:03:41,099
break our guest tonight Richard Dolan I

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01:03:48,170 --> 01:03:45,890
this is Jimmy Church of Fade to Black

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01:03:50,390 --> 01:03:48,180
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Yours chimney church tonight Richard

1570
01:07:50,690 --> 01:07:48,420
Dolan is with us an exciting week uh not

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01:07:52,609 --> 01:07:50,700
only uh for the UFO Community but for

1572
01:07:55,789 --> 01:07:52,619
the world we have a whistleblower his

1573
01:08:00,109 --> 01:07:55,799
name's David Crush uh who came forward

1574
01:08:02,329 --> 01:08:00,119
and the News broke last Monday

1575
01:08:04,730 --> 01:08:02,339
um and the developments throughout the

1576
01:08:07,910 --> 01:08:04,740
week with uh Leslie Kane and Ralph

1577
01:08:11,210 --> 01:08:07,920
blumenthal's article on the debrief

1578
01:08:14,750 --> 01:08:11,220
um and the other media Outlets some have

1579
01:08:17,269 --> 01:08:14,760
been slow to respond uh I think it's

1580
01:08:20,510 --> 01:08:17,279
starting to get traction but also what

1581
01:08:24,189 --> 01:08:20,520
is going on in Washington D.C and then

1582
01:08:28,070 --> 01:08:24,199
we had of course Las Vegas

1583
01:08:30,470 --> 01:08:28,080
and I I called Richard uh I said hey

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01:08:33,590 --> 01:08:30,480
Richard hey man have you have you seen

1585
01:08:35,689 --> 01:08:33,600
this video in Las Vegas anyway

1586
01:08:38,809 --> 01:08:35,699
um before the so we had that and then

1587
01:08:40,550 --> 01:08:38,819
today Steven Greer had his live uh press

1588
01:08:43,729 --> 01:08:40,560
conference event at the national Press

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01:08:46,729 --> 01:08:43,739
Club in Washington DC before the break

1590
01:08:52,729 --> 01:08:46,739
Richard I asked should

1591
01:08:56,150 --> 01:08:52,739
should CNN or or fox or ABC you know do

1592
01:08:58,910 --> 01:08:56,160
a live event you know oh here we are

1593
01:09:00,709 --> 01:08:58,920
well I mean

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01:09:02,450 --> 01:09:00,719
it would be kind of it was like the

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01:09:04,610 --> 01:09:02,460
dream that we all had for years and

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01:09:06,829 --> 01:09:04,620
years and decades and decades

1597
01:09:09,410 --> 01:09:06,839
but now that we have like a Soviet level

1598
01:09:11,030 --> 01:09:09,420
system of media it just really takes the

1599
01:09:11,809 --> 01:09:11,040
wind out of the cell like it just is a

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01:09:13,550 --> 01:09:11,819
horrible

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01:09:15,530 --> 01:09:13,560
like you would have liked to have had

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01:09:18,709 --> 01:09:15,540
this when we actually had a functioning

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01:09:20,030 --> 01:09:18,719
genuinely free media that's not just a

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01:09:22,370 --> 01:09:20,040
mouthpiece of the establishment

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01:09:25,130 --> 01:09:22,380
essentially the way Pravda was for the

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01:09:27,169 --> 01:09:25,140
Soviet state you know for decades in the

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01:09:29,689 --> 01:09:27,179
old days which is really what we have so

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01:09:32,990 --> 01:09:29,699
that's why it would

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01:09:35,269 --> 01:09:33,000
suck in that sense but uh this is what

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01:09:36,709 --> 01:09:35,279
we have this is our awful awful terrible

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01:09:39,650 --> 01:09:36,719
media system

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01:09:41,329 --> 01:09:39,660
and you know the the problem with it is

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01:09:43,550 --> 01:09:41,339
simply that these

1614
01:09:45,530 --> 01:09:43,560
people I just have to say are incapable

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01:09:48,410 --> 01:09:45,540
of telling the truth on almost anything

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01:09:49,189 --> 01:09:48,420
I don't think it's in their DNA so I

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01:09:49,729 --> 01:09:49,199
don't

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01:09:51,829 --> 01:09:49,739
um

1619
01:09:53,209 --> 01:09:51,839
I think that if there's a disclosure

1620
01:09:55,970 --> 01:09:53,219
coming out there it's just going to be

1621
01:09:59,689 --> 01:09:55,980
filled with spin spin and more spin okay

1622
01:10:02,270 --> 01:09:59,699
so then what is the safe road here is it

1623
01:10:06,410 --> 01:10:02,280
like running man right are we gonna are

1624
01:10:08,330 --> 01:10:06,420
we gonna have TMZ right broadcast I hear

1625
01:10:10,370 --> 01:10:08,340
you I hear you I mean I don't know maybe

1626
01:10:13,850 --> 01:10:10,380
there's not a good solution here I guess

1627
01:10:17,330 --> 01:10:13,860
the best solution would be

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01:10:18,890 --> 01:10:17,340
if the major media Outlets all were to

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01:10:22,189 --> 01:10:18,900
try to cover this

1630
01:10:24,649 --> 01:10:22,199
and genuinely we're trying to compete

1631
01:10:28,189 --> 01:10:24,659
to get to the truth and and we're

1632
01:10:29,930 --> 01:10:28,199
pressured From Below by the second tier

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01:10:31,910 --> 01:10:29,940
media and the people

1634
01:10:34,970 --> 01:10:31,920
and if some kind of Zoom magical

1635
01:10:37,250 --> 01:10:34,980
combination that this could cause our

1636
01:10:38,390 --> 01:10:37,260
media to ask some hard questions not

1637
01:10:40,130 --> 01:10:38,400
only about the nature of

1638
01:10:42,110 --> 01:10:40,140
extraterrestrials

1639
01:10:44,570 --> 01:10:42,120
and the whole presence of them here but

1640
01:10:46,850 --> 01:10:44,580
their own culpability

1641
01:10:47,630 --> 01:10:46,860
in this cover-up because this is the

1642
01:10:50,149 --> 01:10:47,640
thing

1643
01:10:52,370 --> 01:10:50,159
one of the reasons we've had you know 80

1644
01:10:54,229 --> 01:10:52,380
years of deception and lies on this is

1645
01:10:56,090 --> 01:10:54,239
because the American and Global

1646
01:10:58,729 --> 01:10:56,100
western-dominated and Global media

1647
01:11:01,189 --> 01:10:58,739
establishments have been complicit in

1648
01:11:02,630 --> 01:11:01,199
this we know this hell they go to the

1649
01:11:04,910 --> 01:11:02,640
Bilderberg meetings every year I mean

1650
01:11:07,310 --> 01:11:04,920
this is they're part of it

1651
01:11:09,530 --> 01:11:07,320
and so how

1652
01:11:13,130 --> 01:11:09,540
how do we expect

1653
01:11:14,570 --> 01:11:13,140
any level of good faith in actual

1654
01:11:16,430 --> 01:11:14,580
genuine reporting when they haven't

1655
01:11:19,430 --> 01:11:16,440
given this to us in

1656
01:11:20,570 --> 01:11:19,440
a whole lifetime on UFOs and and

1657
01:11:22,430 --> 01:11:20,580
everything else

1658
01:11:25,430 --> 01:11:22,440
so that's the problem I mean there's

1659
01:11:27,649 --> 01:11:25,440
there's no good solution out of it uh

1660
01:11:29,870 --> 01:11:27,659
you know again I'm referring back to our

1661
01:11:32,750 --> 01:11:29,880
our book after disclosure that I

1662
01:11:35,270 --> 01:11:32,760
co-authored and

1663
01:11:36,830 --> 01:11:35,280
the situation was bad in 2010 I mean

1664
01:11:38,510 --> 01:11:36,840
it's much worse now but it was bad then

1665
01:11:40,850 --> 01:11:38,520
and

1666
01:11:43,610 --> 01:11:40,860
I admit a little bit of the book had

1667
01:11:47,270 --> 01:11:43,620
some hope in it and the Hope was that

1668
01:11:50,390 --> 01:11:47,280
the shock of something so big as a

1669
01:11:53,030 --> 01:11:50,400
genuine UFO disclosure a revelation that

1670
01:11:56,390 --> 01:11:53,040
this is real aliens are here we've got

1671
01:11:58,130 --> 01:11:56,400
their stuff that that would cause a kind

1672
01:12:00,350 --> 01:11:58,140
of cultural and social and even

1673
01:12:02,330 --> 01:12:00,360
political revolution of sorts not

1674
01:12:05,630 --> 01:12:02,340
necessarily a violent revolution but

1675
01:12:08,209 --> 01:12:05,640
some something in which we confront the

1676
01:12:11,149 --> 01:12:08,219
lies that we have told ourselves as a

1677
01:12:13,729 --> 01:12:11,159
society for so long that's not an easy

1678
01:12:16,010 --> 01:12:13,739
thing to do it's very difficult for

1679
01:12:19,130 --> 01:12:16,020
anyone I don't care who you are to have

1680
01:12:21,050 --> 01:12:19,140
to confront a lifetime of fables and

1681
01:12:23,270 --> 01:12:21,060
fictions that you've been living that's

1682
01:12:26,570 --> 01:12:23,280
not easy it's not easy to confront that

1683
01:12:29,330 --> 01:12:26,580
and that's what this reality is

1684
01:12:32,630 --> 01:12:29,340
demanding of us it is demanding that we

1685
01:12:35,870 --> 01:12:32,640
confront the lies that we've either told

1686
01:12:38,630 --> 01:12:35,880
or just accepted

1687
01:12:45,290 --> 01:12:38,640
and in either case it's just not easy to

1688
01:12:48,530 --> 01:12:45,300
do do we do we lack of that uh that

1689
01:12:52,450 --> 01:12:48,540
talking head that we you that there was

1690
01:12:56,330 --> 01:12:52,460
trust in right where

1691
01:12:58,729 --> 01:12:56,340
we had we do yeah we do yeah we don't we

1692
01:13:02,450 --> 01:12:58,739
don't have that good night and good luck

1693
01:13:06,350 --> 01:13:02,460
you know you know we we don't have we we

1694
01:13:09,050 --> 01:13:06,360
lack that today is there any is there

1695
01:13:11,270 --> 01:13:09,060
any trust in the media anymore and as a

1696
01:13:14,330 --> 01:13:11,280
matter of fact uh Richard I want to get

1697
01:13:16,189 --> 01:13:14,340
to uh Stephen Greer's uh uh conference

1698
01:13:21,229 --> 01:13:16,199
today but yeah

1699
01:13:24,890 --> 01:13:21,239
um the uh the news

1700
01:13:26,990 --> 01:13:24,900
has gone from presenting news

1701
01:13:29,870 --> 01:13:27,000
to opinions

1702
01:13:31,490 --> 01:13:29,880
right and that's that's a very strange

1703
01:13:33,649 --> 01:13:31,500
term the whole business model is

1704
01:13:35,510 --> 01:13:33,659
different you look at the New York Times

1705
01:13:38,390 --> 01:13:35,520
And how it's just degraded over the

1706
01:13:40,130 --> 01:13:38,400
years I mean it's a a pal imitation of

1707
01:13:41,930 --> 01:13:40,140
what it once was and the reason is that

1708
01:13:44,390 --> 01:13:41,940
the New York Times has realized

1709
01:13:46,250 --> 01:13:44,400
in this age of digital media they have

1710
01:13:48,410 --> 01:13:46,260
to appeal to their base Market which is

1711
01:13:50,510 --> 01:13:48,420
their they said political spectrum they

1712
01:13:52,370 --> 01:13:50,520
have to appeal to a political Spectrum

1713
01:13:53,930 --> 01:13:52,380
in the old days it was well we're going

1714
01:13:54,709 --> 01:13:53,940
to try to appeal to a broad base of

1715
01:13:57,169 --> 01:13:54,719
people

1716
01:13:59,209 --> 01:13:57,179
that's what many of them did that's not

1717
01:14:01,250 --> 01:13:59,219
what they do any longer so

1718
01:14:03,169 --> 01:14:01,260
it does

1719
01:14:06,649 --> 01:14:03,179
the

1720
01:14:09,350 --> 01:14:06,659
what and we all realize you know if we

1721
01:14:11,090 --> 01:14:09,360
graduated from high school or we

1722
01:14:13,010 --> 01:14:11,100
realized that

1723
01:14:14,570 --> 01:14:13,020
every there's spin everywhere like

1724
01:14:16,490 --> 01:14:14,580
there's no such thing as total

1725
01:14:18,890 --> 01:14:16,500
objectivity it's it's a it's an illusion

1726
01:14:21,950 --> 01:14:18,900
but that doesn't mean one can't strive

1727
01:14:24,290 --> 01:14:21,960
for some level of objectivity you

1728
01:14:27,410 --> 01:14:24,300
doesn't mean you can't strive to try to

1729
01:14:28,310 --> 01:14:27,420
see more than one point of view of a of

1730
01:14:30,189 --> 01:14:28,320
a problem

1731
01:14:32,630 --> 01:14:30,199
like that's a good thing you want to see

1732
01:14:34,850 --> 01:14:32,640
multiple angles of it and and you have a

1733
01:14:37,010 --> 01:14:34,860
better chance of understanding it and we

1734
01:14:42,470 --> 01:14:37,020
don't do that we do not do that so is

1735
01:14:46,189 --> 01:14:42,480
that why is that why it took the debrief

1736
01:14:50,110 --> 01:14:46,199
you know to release this story you know

1737
01:14:53,390 --> 01:14:50,120
that like Tucker Carlson said

1738
01:14:55,070 --> 01:14:53,400
this is this is the biggest news in the

1739
01:14:58,850 --> 01:14:55,080
history of mankind

1740
01:15:01,310 --> 01:14:58,860
you know where is the responsible media

1741
01:15:03,590 --> 01:15:01,320
right now we're utterly corrupt and

1742
01:15:06,890 --> 01:15:03,600
captured that's where it is right and

1743
01:15:09,709 --> 01:15:06,900
and and and and Tim McMillan and and

1744
01:15:13,370 --> 01:15:09,719
Micah Hanks and everybody of it and uh

1745
01:15:15,050 --> 01:15:13,380
over at the the debrief uh of course

1746
01:15:18,610 --> 01:15:15,060
they understood the importance of the

1747
01:15:22,669 --> 01:15:18,620
story but they don't have to go through

1748
01:15:26,050 --> 01:15:22,679
uh the the journalistic processes I say

1749
01:15:29,030 --> 01:15:26,060
journalistic uh in in air quotes

1750
01:15:32,450 --> 01:15:29,040
at the New York Times or fox or whoever

1751
01:15:35,770 --> 01:15:32,460
uh Los Angeles Times uh would have to go

1752
01:15:38,630 --> 01:15:35,780
through that bureaucracy and and

1753
01:15:41,510 --> 01:15:38,640
journalism and Reporting by committee

1754
01:15:44,390 --> 01:15:41,520
right because that's what you have to go

1755
01:15:47,770 --> 01:15:44,400
through these days and it takes

1756
01:15:51,290 --> 01:15:47,780
something like the debrief a streamlined

1757
01:15:54,830 --> 01:15:51,300
not worried about if let's just let's

1758
01:15:57,950 --> 01:15:54,840
report and and present this story no

1759
01:16:00,290 --> 01:15:57,960
matter version of the old muckrakers of

1760
01:16:03,410 --> 01:16:00,300
over a century ago you know

1761
01:16:05,750 --> 01:16:03,420
in the early 20th century there were

1762
01:16:07,669 --> 01:16:05,760
newspapers in the United States that

1763
01:16:09,410 --> 01:16:07,679
they were called muckrakers they're

1764
01:16:11,209 --> 01:16:09,420
raking up the muck you know getting into

1765
01:16:15,050 --> 01:16:11,219
the dirt looking into all the things

1766
01:16:16,669 --> 01:16:15,060
that the established uh Publications you

1767
01:16:18,590 --> 01:16:16,679
know were that was beneath the

1768
01:16:21,770 --> 01:16:18,600
established publication so it was left

1769
01:16:24,470 --> 01:16:21,780
to smaller much more gritty and

1770
01:16:26,750 --> 01:16:24,480
aggressive newspapers back in those days

1771
01:16:28,910 --> 01:16:26,760
to look into some of these things and I

1772
01:16:30,229 --> 01:16:28,920
think the debrief I think they've earned

1773
01:16:31,970 --> 01:16:30,239
the right to be called that and that

1774
01:16:34,010 --> 01:16:31,980
that's a good thing good thing would be

1775
01:16:36,470 --> 01:16:34,020
called a modern muckraker they're small

1776
01:16:38,630 --> 01:16:36,480
they're Scrappy uh they've been I've

1777
01:16:39,649 --> 01:16:38,640
seen them already being insulted by uh

1778
01:16:41,990 --> 01:16:39,659
some of the people who are trying to

1779
01:16:43,850 --> 01:16:42,000
debunk this whole story

1780
01:16:45,110 --> 01:16:43,860
um as low level whatever this but

1781
01:16:46,610 --> 01:16:45,120
they're not at all they're they're good

1782
01:16:50,149 --> 01:16:46,620
they did

1783
01:16:52,270 --> 01:16:50,159
Leslie and Ralph publish their article

1784
01:16:55,250 --> 01:16:52,280
he

1785
01:16:58,970 --> 01:16:55,260
this is a good sign yeah yeah yeah

1786
01:17:01,610 --> 01:16:58,980
absolutely and and then okay so as if

1787
01:17:06,229 --> 01:17:01,620
that wasn't uh enough I'm talking about

1788
01:17:10,370 --> 01:17:06,239
David crush and and and uh Washington DC

1789
01:17:13,570 --> 01:17:10,380
and and their play in all of this that's

1790
01:17:16,610 --> 01:17:13,580
what has been elevated and Stephen Greer

1791
01:17:19,610 --> 01:17:16,620
uh did his presentation today at the

1792
01:17:24,290 --> 01:17:19,620
national Press Club it was uh I think it

1793
01:17:27,110 --> 01:17:24,300
was three hours four hours long yeah

1794
01:17:31,430 --> 01:17:27,120
um the focus

1795
01:17:34,130 --> 01:17:31,440
um on it now uh so I think he brought up

1796
01:17:36,110 --> 01:17:34,140
six I think there's three and three on

1797
01:17:37,250 --> 01:17:36,120
both sides of him the podium in the

1798
01:17:38,810 --> 01:17:37,260
middle

1799
01:17:40,610 --> 01:17:38,820
um I have I have the names and

1800
01:17:42,530 --> 01:17:40,620
everything that we don't have to get

1801
01:17:45,050 --> 01:17:42,540
into too much yeah I'm just gonna be

1802
01:17:47,149 --> 01:17:45,060
very upfront here so I've not seen the

1803
01:17:49,430 --> 01:17:47,159
press conference I do have notes here

1804
01:17:53,390 --> 01:17:49,440
and my amazing wife is giving me

1805
01:17:56,090 --> 01:17:53,400
screenshots of his conclusions so I have

1806
01:17:57,610 --> 01:17:56,100
that here uh looks like he has 12 basic

1807
01:18:00,950 --> 01:17:57,620
conclusions

1808
01:18:03,890 --> 01:18:00,960
uh most of them I think he's he's on the

1809
01:18:07,149 --> 01:18:03,900
Mark I think on one he is really

1810
01:18:10,610 --> 01:18:07,159
dangerously wrong very like dangerous

1811
01:18:13,250 --> 01:18:10,620
let's Circle back to that yeah

1812
01:18:17,149 --> 01:18:13,260
um this is this is the point this is the

1813
01:18:19,850 --> 01:18:17,159
national Press Club yeah and at the end

1814
01:18:22,250 --> 01:18:19,860
of uh the presentation was about 15

1815
01:18:25,370 --> 01:18:22,260
minutes of questions

1816
01:18:27,830 --> 01:18:25,380
10 minutes 15 minutes there wasn't One

1817
01:18:32,510 --> 01:18:27,840
National media Outlet there

1818
01:18:34,370 --> 01:18:32,520
was not and not it I listened to

1819
01:18:36,709 --> 01:18:34,380
everybody ask the question Billy Carson

1820
01:18:42,050 --> 01:18:36,719
got a question in he was there that was

1821
01:18:44,510 --> 01:18:42,060
pretty cool that's great but um uh the

1822
01:18:48,169 --> 01:18:44,520
um this is the national Press Club in

1823
01:18:51,350 --> 01:18:48,179
Washington DC now you know that uh uh

1824
01:18:54,169 --> 01:18:51,360
Greer and his team invited all of the

1825
01:18:57,770 --> 01:18:54,179
national media yes undoubtedly I haven't

1826
01:19:00,649 --> 01:18:57,780
seen anything uh uh reported on it yet

1827
01:19:01,790 --> 01:19:00,659
maybe we will tomorrow well how can

1828
01:19:03,350 --> 01:19:01,800
there be if they don't have any

1829
01:19:07,310 --> 01:19:03,360
Representatives down there to cover it

1830
01:19:10,310 --> 01:19:07,320
right yeah yeah but why I'm just I'm

1831
01:19:11,570 --> 01:19:10,320
just a surprised uh about that it goes

1832
01:19:13,850 --> 01:19:11,580
back to what we're talking about with

1833
01:19:15,830 --> 01:19:13,860
Crush too as well

1834
01:19:18,830 --> 01:19:15,840
um or is it just think about where he is

1835
01:19:20,390 --> 01:19:18,840
it's in DC yeah so of course you got the

1836
01:19:22,370 --> 01:19:20,400
Washington Post there

1837
01:19:24,050 --> 01:19:22,380
which might as well just be called the

1838
01:19:26,930 --> 01:19:24,060
CIA post

1839
01:19:29,270 --> 01:19:26,940
frankly so they're they're you know

1840
01:19:31,550 --> 01:19:29,280
total DC inside publication they're

1841
01:19:33,410 --> 01:19:31,560
deeply in bed with the US government

1842
01:19:35,090 --> 01:19:33,420
so and they they

1843
01:19:36,890 --> 01:19:35,100
I don't think they said they passed on

1844
01:19:38,510 --> 01:19:36,900
Leslie and Ralph's story but they said

1845
01:19:40,430 --> 01:19:38,520
what we need more time to fact check it

1846
01:19:42,110 --> 01:19:40,440
whatever and they were just apparently

1847
01:19:43,610 --> 01:19:42,120
dragging their feet on it so they're

1848
01:19:46,070 --> 01:19:43,620
they've and the Washington Post has

1849
01:19:48,290 --> 01:19:46,080
never been friendly yeah but all of them

1850
01:19:50,450 --> 01:19:48,300
all of the networks are broadcasting

1851
01:19:52,910 --> 01:19:50,460
live from Washington D.C all day long

1852
01:19:54,350 --> 01:19:52,920
they've got their correspondence they've

1853
01:19:57,229 --> 01:19:54,360
got their news fans they've got their

1854
01:20:02,390 --> 01:19:57,239
news rooms everybody is represented at

1855
01:20:05,090 --> 01:20:02,400
Washington D.C and uh yeah sure sure is

1856
01:20:08,630 --> 01:20:05,100
it is it ET overload is what I'm getting

1857
01:20:12,169 --> 01:20:08,640
at right so you have Rush last week and

1858
01:20:14,810 --> 01:20:12,179
then rolling into this week is it is it

1859
01:20:17,930 --> 01:20:14,820
just too is it too much aliens all the

1860
01:20:21,410 --> 01:20:17,940
time right now I think I think our um

1861
01:20:24,189 --> 01:20:21,420
our society places a lot of emphasis on

1862
01:20:29,810 --> 01:20:24,199
official

1863
01:20:31,430 --> 01:20:29,820
so I got like Rush

1864
01:20:32,990 --> 01:20:31,440
you know I mean they're in love with

1865
01:20:33,950 --> 01:20:33,000
Intel guys they're in love with military

1866
01:20:35,689 --> 01:20:33,960
guys

1867
01:20:38,330 --> 01:20:35,699
you know especially Intel they just love

1868
01:20:40,729 --> 01:20:38,340
that so and and he also was part of the

1869
01:20:43,910 --> 01:20:40,739
UAP task force

1870
01:20:47,209 --> 01:20:43,920
for for two years so Crush

1871
01:20:49,790 --> 01:20:47,219
really had very good official Bona fides

1872
01:20:51,709 --> 01:20:49,800
and credentials on his behalf

1873
01:20:53,330 --> 01:20:51,719
uh Stephen Greer I mean he's a medical

1874
01:20:55,490 --> 01:20:53,340
doctor and I'm not taking anything away

1875
01:20:58,189 --> 01:20:55,500
from him but he's he's not an Insider

1876
01:21:00,890 --> 01:20:58,199
he's not anyone really important in the

1877
01:21:03,229 --> 01:21:00,900
grand Washingtonian scheme of things

1878
01:21:06,229 --> 01:21:03,239
they're not gonna give him all that much

1879
01:21:08,209 --> 01:21:06,239
credit I mean you know look I I went to

1880
01:21:10,189 --> 01:21:08,219
um how many press conferences did

1881
01:21:13,189 --> 01:21:10,199
Stephen Bassett organize that I attended

1882
01:21:14,570 --> 01:21:13,199
all those X conferences from 2004 to

1883
01:21:17,090 --> 01:21:14,580
2010

1884
01:21:20,090 --> 01:21:17,100
and then we did the citizen hearing on

1885
01:21:21,530 --> 01:21:20,100
disclosure in 2013. uh these were huge

1886
01:21:24,290 --> 01:21:21,540
things they got a little bit of

1887
01:21:26,570 --> 01:21:24,300
Washington Post mocking us you know

1888
01:21:28,490 --> 01:21:26,580
smearing us uh there was really never

1889
01:21:30,530 --> 01:21:28,500
any friendly press coverage there so

1890
01:21:32,149 --> 01:21:30,540
that actually doesn't surprise me

1891
01:21:34,070 --> 01:21:32,159
although

1892
01:21:36,290 --> 01:21:34,080
I I hear where you're coming from like

1893
01:21:38,590 --> 01:21:36,300
you'd think with the news of the last

1894
01:21:42,950 --> 01:21:38,600
week that the news media would be

1895
01:21:44,810 --> 01:21:42,960
curious what you know uh uh Tim burchett

1896
01:21:48,010 --> 01:21:44,820
couldn't come and hang out and then

1897
01:21:52,970 --> 01:21:48,020
comment later uh about it Andre Carson

1898
01:21:55,850 --> 01:21:52,980
you know the gillibrant was she and I'm

1899
01:21:59,030 --> 01:21:55,860
sure they were all invited

1900
01:22:01,370 --> 01:21:59,040
um if you're one of those people you're

1901
01:22:02,930 --> 01:22:01,380
probably thinking uh I don't want to get

1902
01:22:05,390 --> 01:22:02,940
too associated with this like I'm sure

1903
01:22:08,689 --> 01:22:05,400
they're thinking that like this would be

1904
01:22:12,110 --> 01:22:08,699
if if Jilla brand went if Mark Marco

1905
01:22:16,330 --> 01:22:12,120
Rubio went for Timber Chet went uh that

1906
01:22:19,070 --> 01:22:16,340
would be headline massive headline news

1907
01:22:21,530 --> 01:22:19,080
that's making a statement he had a

1908
01:22:23,630 --> 01:22:21,540
retired Colonel uh Donald hackard from

1909
01:22:27,590 --> 01:22:23,640
the United States Air Force

1910
01:22:29,930 --> 01:22:27,600
um he had uh Michael Herrera a Marine

1911
01:22:33,830 --> 01:22:29,940
Corps veteran a very effective speaker

1912
01:22:35,270 --> 01:22:33,840
he had Steve uh digna U.S army uh

1913
01:22:38,570 --> 01:22:35,280
Raytheon

1914
01:22:41,570 --> 01:22:38,580
um DC long U.S army he had Eric Hecker

1915
01:22:45,709 --> 01:22:41,580
from Raytheon and then he had his

1916
01:22:48,050 --> 01:22:45,719
attorney uh Derek Garcia speak to as

1917
01:22:49,930 --> 01:22:48,060
well about pursuing Ricoh charges

1918
01:22:52,669 --> 01:22:49,940
against uh the United States government

1919
01:22:54,890 --> 01:22:52,679
uh which I thought was actually a a

1920
01:22:56,209 --> 01:22:54,900
pretty interesting point that was

1921
01:23:01,430 --> 01:22:56,219
brought up with all of this it's

1922
01:23:03,709 --> 01:23:01,440
interesting yeah yeah yeah and uh now my

1923
01:23:05,930 --> 01:23:03,719
a couple of my takeaways now I want to

1924
01:23:08,229 --> 01:23:05,940
hit you with yes

1925
01:23:12,709 --> 01:23:08,239
um uh digna

1926
01:23:14,870 --> 01:23:12,719
talked about his time in Antarctica

1927
01:23:17,450 --> 01:23:14,880
um and I have to go back and look at my

1928
01:23:21,050 --> 01:23:17,460
notes and things but just I I I believe

1929
01:23:25,790 --> 01:23:21,060
he said he was there for a year around

1930
01:23:30,110 --> 01:23:25,800
2010. and for Raytheon okay so he goes

1931
01:23:33,890 --> 01:23:30,120
down there and I I don't have uh the

1932
01:23:39,590 --> 01:23:33,900
spec he goes to uh a facility that has

1933
01:23:42,229 --> 01:23:39,600
been built and to to to to work but

1934
01:23:44,390 --> 01:23:42,239
apparently

1935
01:23:48,110 --> 01:23:44,400
um and I'm not going to get into the

1936
01:23:50,209 --> 01:23:48,120
technical side of this but there uh were

1937
01:23:52,729 --> 01:23:50,219
these individual cells

1938
01:23:54,410 --> 01:23:52,739
projecting

1939
01:23:56,229 --> 01:23:54,420
um energy

1940
01:23:59,330 --> 01:23:56,239
um up and uh

1941
01:24:01,970 --> 01:23:59,340
a thousand of these individually but

1942
01:24:05,630 --> 01:24:01,980
combined we're talking about something

1943
01:24:08,330 --> 01:24:05,640
with a lot of womp to it uh directed

1944
01:24:11,510 --> 01:24:08,340
energy weapon beam

1945
01:24:14,810 --> 01:24:11,520
um uh he said was faster than the speed

1946
01:24:18,890 --> 01:24:14,820
of light communication uh out of

1947
01:24:19,970 --> 01:24:18,900
Antarctica out of Antarctica and he said

1948
01:24:23,450 --> 01:24:19,980
that

1949
01:24:26,270 --> 01:24:23,460
um uh it's fully functional and so the

1950
01:24:28,729 --> 01:24:26,280
day came uh for them to flip the switch

1951
01:24:29,890 --> 01:24:28,739
right and turn this thing on they tested

1952
01:24:34,610 --> 01:24:29,900
it twice

1953
01:24:37,010 --> 01:24:34,620
and that caused an earthquake

1954
01:24:40,550 --> 01:24:37,020
I I think was Indonesia I can't remember

1955
01:24:43,729 --> 01:24:40,560
a major earthquake that day and that's

1956
01:24:46,130 --> 01:24:43,739
how much energy that this thing can

1957
01:24:48,169 --> 01:24:46,140
create and

1958
01:24:52,729 --> 01:24:48,179
um they he had some photographs of it it

1959
01:24:55,310 --> 01:24:52,739
was uh now that part of this testimony

1960
01:24:58,070 --> 01:24:55,320
today if true

1961
01:24:59,990 --> 01:24:58,080
um uh and these kinds of statements

1962
01:25:02,510 --> 01:25:00,000
Antarctica is supposed to be the free

1963
01:25:05,169 --> 01:25:02,520
zone right but also

1964
01:25:08,689 --> 01:25:05,179
nobody's allowed down there

1965
01:25:10,850 --> 01:25:08,699
so there are no very controlled

1966
01:25:13,450 --> 01:25:10,860
conditions control there's no checks and

1967
01:25:17,810 --> 01:25:13,460
balances uh when it comes to Antarctica

1968
01:25:21,110 --> 01:25:17,820
but that that statement from him out of

1969
01:25:23,390 --> 01:25:21,120
it was a it was a good it was a good uh

1970
01:25:28,070 --> 01:25:23,400
presentation today uh by the witnesses

1971
01:25:32,630 --> 01:25:28,080
but but that alone stood out for me and

1972
01:25:34,930 --> 01:25:32,640
and what do you make of that of of uh

1973
01:25:38,750 --> 01:25:34,940
faster than light communication device

1974
01:25:41,450 --> 01:25:38,760
and and why would they why why would we

1975
01:25:45,050 --> 01:25:41,460
have it unless we need to communicate

1976
01:25:46,689 --> 01:25:45,060
with ET yeah I I look I mean I can't uh

1977
01:25:49,610 --> 01:25:46,699
stay one way or anything or another

1978
01:25:51,350 --> 01:25:49,620
whether I think this is true I think it

1979
01:25:56,390 --> 01:25:51,360
could be true

1980
01:25:58,970 --> 01:25:56,400
and and frankly there have been uh

1981
01:26:01,790 --> 01:25:58,980
scientists who have been studying

1982
01:26:05,990 --> 01:26:01,800
uh all kinds of out there communication

1983
01:26:06,709 --> 01:26:06,000
systems since at least in 1960s

1984
01:26:10,370 --> 01:26:06,719
um

1985
01:26:12,709 --> 01:26:10,380
I'm thinking of a of a science right a a

1986
01:26:14,810 --> 01:26:12,719
scientist named Gerald Feinberg who was

1987
01:26:17,209 --> 01:26:14,820
of transhumanist futurist from the 60s

1988
01:26:20,030 --> 01:26:17,219
friend of Edgar Mitchell's actually

1989
01:26:21,709 --> 01:26:20,040
who I think was studying uh was a

1990
01:26:24,229 --> 01:26:21,719
tachyon-based Communications like

1991
01:26:25,790 --> 01:26:24,239
Interstellar type Communications back in

1992
01:26:27,709 --> 01:26:25,800
the 60s

1993
01:26:30,050 --> 01:26:27,719
um I I think this has been something

1994
01:26:32,030 --> 01:26:30,060
that we've been looking at for a while

1995
01:26:35,330 --> 01:26:32,040
so it wouldn't that wouldn't shock me

1996
01:26:38,510 --> 01:26:35,340
the important thing would be

1997
01:26:39,950 --> 01:26:38,520
how can the information be supported in

1998
01:26:41,930 --> 01:26:39,960
terms of evidence that people can

1999
01:26:42,709 --> 01:26:41,940
examine that's always what it comes down

2000
01:26:47,810 --> 01:26:42,719
to

2001
01:26:50,570 --> 01:26:47,820
rush you know frankly though I think

2002
01:26:52,430 --> 01:26:50,580
Rush seems to be in a better position in

2003
01:26:54,050 --> 01:26:52,440
terms of being able to provide that

2004
01:26:55,669 --> 01:26:54,060
evidence even though we haven't seen it

2005
01:26:58,250 --> 01:26:55,679
I think he's been in a good position

2006
01:26:59,870 --> 01:26:58,260
that apparently he has provided at least

2007
01:27:02,270 --> 01:26:59,880
some of it to the entire Inspector

2008
01:27:05,570 --> 01:27:02,280
General but for these Witnesses with uh

2009
01:27:07,189 --> 01:27:05,580
Stephen Greer I I don't know and I've I

2010
01:27:08,629 --> 01:27:07,199
feel like it would be irresponsible for

2011
01:27:11,330 --> 01:27:08,639
me to say you know what I think how

2012
01:27:12,890 --> 01:27:11,340
strong their arguments are I need I need

2013
01:27:16,430 --> 01:27:12,900
to look at this this just happened today

2014
01:27:18,530 --> 01:27:16,440
this is brand new and I apologize to all

2015
01:27:20,930 --> 01:27:18,540
the listeners that I I haven't seen this

2016
01:27:23,030 --> 01:27:20,940
one yet I've just I've got notes that's

2017
01:27:26,530 --> 01:27:23,040
the best I can do at this time

2018
01:27:29,510 --> 01:27:26,540
but I will say from Greer's conclusions

2019
01:27:31,689 --> 01:27:29,520
overall I think what he says is very

2020
01:27:34,010 --> 01:27:31,699
much in line with what we have heard

2021
01:27:35,930 --> 01:27:34,020
earlier this week from people like David

2022
01:27:37,850 --> 01:27:35,940
grush it's not that radically different

2023
01:27:39,709 --> 01:27:37,860
he's saying this is I'm looking at his

2024
01:27:42,010 --> 01:27:39,719
two slides or he's got 12 conclusions

2025
01:27:44,629 --> 01:27:42,020
two primary types of UAP

2026
01:27:46,450 --> 01:27:44,639
extraterrestrial vehicles and man-made

2027
01:27:48,530 --> 01:27:46,460
arvs or

2028
01:27:50,629 --> 01:27:48,540
electrogarulsion vehicles I don't think

2029
01:27:52,430 --> 01:27:50,639
anyone disputes that I think when you

2030
01:27:55,850 --> 01:27:52,440
look at the research over the last many

2031
01:27:58,310 --> 01:27:55,860
decades yes exactly there was a question

2032
01:28:01,550 --> 01:27:58,320
that was given to the late Ben Rich of

2033
01:28:03,830 --> 01:28:01,560
Lockheed Skunk Works by um

2034
01:28:05,270 --> 01:28:03,840
John Andrews who was an associate of his

2035
01:28:06,410 --> 01:28:05,280
and John was like are these hours or

2036
01:28:08,629 --> 01:28:06,420
theirs Ben

2037
01:28:11,090 --> 01:28:08,639
this is a question of going back decades

2038
01:28:13,550 --> 01:28:11,100
decades decades so Greer says that and

2039
01:28:17,090 --> 01:28:13,560
but here's where I think I just think

2040
01:28:19,990 --> 01:28:17,100
what Stephen Greer says is actually

2041
01:28:22,910 --> 01:28:20,000
truly dangerous and and he States it

2042
01:28:25,729 --> 01:28:22,920
extraterrestrial groups are not hostile

2043
01:28:27,229 --> 01:28:25,739
to Earth or Humanity however they are

2044
01:28:29,870 --> 01:28:27,239
increasingly concerned about human

2045
01:28:31,610 --> 01:28:29,880
hostility and weapon systems such as

2046
01:28:33,410 --> 01:28:31,620
nuclear scalar Etc

2047
01:28:37,070 --> 01:28:33,420
look I'm not saying that human beings

2048
01:28:39,709 --> 01:28:37,080
are are the good guys here either we are

2049
01:28:42,590 --> 01:28:39,719
a problem we are a problem species in

2050
01:28:44,450 --> 01:28:42,600
more ways than one I'm absolutely but

2051
01:28:46,129 --> 01:28:44,460
there have been

2052
01:28:48,290 --> 01:28:46,139
statement after statement rumor after

2053
01:28:51,110 --> 01:28:48,300
Rumor for decades and decades and at

2054
01:28:54,110 --> 01:28:51,120
least one group is absolutely malevolent

2055
01:28:55,850 --> 01:28:54,120
and hostile to us and I'm not prepared

2056
01:28:58,669 --> 01:28:55,860
to throw that out and also I'm not

2057
01:29:00,709 --> 01:28:58,679
prepared to throw out the the extensive

2058
01:29:03,470 --> 01:29:00,719
research of some of those abduction

2059
01:29:05,090 --> 01:29:03,480
researchers like Dr David Jacobs some

2060
01:29:08,450 --> 01:29:05,100
people love what he does some people

2061
01:29:09,890 --> 01:29:08,460
hate what he does my opinion is that he

2062
01:29:12,770 --> 01:29:09,900
has

2063
01:29:17,270 --> 01:29:14,870
testimony and evidence that he is

2064
01:29:18,890 --> 01:29:17,280
amassed from the people that he has

2065
01:29:20,570 --> 01:29:18,900
worked with in terms of hypnotic

2066
01:29:24,229 --> 01:29:20,580
regression

2067
01:29:26,930 --> 01:29:24,239
that at least should cause us pause and

2068
01:29:30,530 --> 01:29:26,940
concern as to what is going on in terms

2069
01:29:33,530 --> 01:29:30,540
of hybridization infiltration of our

2070
01:29:36,169 --> 01:29:33,540
society by at least one of these groups

2071
01:29:38,209 --> 01:29:36,179
and I just I think it is I mean if

2072
01:29:39,830 --> 01:29:38,219
something like that is going on

2073
01:29:41,930 --> 01:29:39,840
like let's just say that's happening

2074
01:29:44,570 --> 01:29:41,940
because frankly there are reasons to

2075
01:29:47,510 --> 01:29:44,580
think it might be it's not outrageous

2076
01:29:49,310 --> 01:29:47,520
you got aliens here do you think aliens

2077
01:29:51,169 --> 01:29:49,320
coming here are going to be just blase

2078
01:29:54,290 --> 01:29:51,179
about the fact that we're about to go

2079
01:29:55,850 --> 01:29:54,300
into an AI Singularity you think they're

2080
01:29:58,490 --> 01:29:55,860
just not going to care about that you

2081
01:29:59,689 --> 01:29:58,500
think I think they would but the point

2082
01:30:02,390 --> 01:29:59,699
is

2083
01:30:05,149 --> 01:30:02,400
if that's going on if you've got at

2084
01:30:07,970 --> 01:30:05,159
least one group that's a malevolent like

2085
01:30:09,770 --> 01:30:07,980
infiltration operation let's just say

2086
01:30:11,149 --> 01:30:09,780
then you get a guy like Greer saying oh

2087
01:30:12,530 --> 01:30:11,159
no they're all good they don't mean us

2088
01:30:14,390 --> 01:30:12,540
any harm

2089
01:30:16,550 --> 01:30:14,400
that's dangerous

2090
01:30:18,290 --> 01:30:16,560
to make that kind of a statement a

2091
01:30:21,350 --> 01:30:18,300
blanket statement which he has done for

2092
01:30:23,750 --> 01:30:21,360
years yep all right

2093
01:30:26,750 --> 01:30:23,760
now he has said many things that are on

2094
01:30:29,390 --> 01:30:26,760
point I will absolutely acknowledge that

2095
01:30:32,270 --> 01:30:29,400
but this one thing that he says

2096
01:30:34,850 --> 01:30:32,280
I I think we have we have got to just

2097
01:30:36,890 --> 01:30:34,860
say no I'm going to call BS on this and

2098
01:30:39,770 --> 01:30:36,900
it's it's worse than BS it's dangerous

2099
01:30:42,290 --> 01:30:39,780
we are not in a position where we can

2100
01:30:43,970 --> 01:30:42,300
just say oh yeah we have nothing to

2101
01:30:46,970 --> 01:30:43,980
worry about from them

2102
01:30:49,250 --> 01:30:46,980
I will say there are many interactions

2103
01:30:52,850 --> 01:30:49,260
that have been reported that do seem

2104
01:30:54,950 --> 01:30:52,860
benign they seem perfectly fine

2105
01:30:57,530 --> 01:30:54,960
there are there's someone or there's

2106
01:31:00,169 --> 01:30:57,540
groups out there that are do not mean us

2107
01:31:03,350 --> 01:31:00,179
harm I I think that is true

2108
01:31:05,750 --> 01:31:03,360
but there is no way in hell I'm gonna

2109
01:31:07,129 --> 01:31:05,760
uh you know Stripes along and say oh

2110
01:31:08,570 --> 01:31:07,139
yeah they're all good and it's a

2111
01:31:10,370 --> 01:31:08,580
wonderful Universe out there we're the

2112
01:31:12,590 --> 01:31:10,380
only bad people

2113
01:31:14,450 --> 01:31:12,600
do you think I mean think about this if

2114
01:31:16,790 --> 01:31:14,460
these beings evolved on another planet

2115
01:31:18,709 --> 01:31:16,800
if they're from some other planet

2116
01:31:21,770 --> 01:31:18,719
somewhere else if they are truly

2117
01:31:27,169 --> 01:31:21,780
extraterrestrial that means that they

2118
01:31:29,930 --> 01:31:27,179
like us were apex predators 100 right

2119
01:31:33,350 --> 01:31:29,940
they they they nominated their Planet

2120
01:31:35,450 --> 01:31:33,360
they kicked ass and that's right yeah

2121
01:31:37,189 --> 01:31:35,460
because they like us discovered the

2122
01:31:39,110 --> 01:31:37,199
secret of Science and rationality and

2123
01:31:40,970 --> 01:31:39,120
logic and they started to they got the

2124
01:31:43,010 --> 01:31:40,980
keys to the kingdom which is science and

2125
01:31:45,470 --> 01:31:43,020
they dominated all the other species on

2126
01:31:47,390 --> 01:31:45,480
their Planet guaranteed yes and even if

2127
01:31:49,490 --> 01:31:47,400
they're not violent now guarantee

2128
01:31:50,810 --> 01:31:49,500
they're used to getting their own way oh

2129
01:31:53,629 --> 01:31:50,820
yeah they're used to getting their way

2130
01:31:57,290 --> 01:31:53,639
yep yep yep yep yep yep they they have

2131
01:32:01,390 --> 01:31:57,300
gone through the same mature uh maturity

2132
01:32:12,729 --> 01:32:01,400
and and evolution processes that we have

2133
01:32:20,870 --> 01:32:15,709
the theater the Arts

2134
01:32:23,570 --> 01:32:20,880
um uh politics uh uh anger War murder I

2135
01:32:26,090 --> 01:32:23,580
think all of that would be yes I I

2136
01:32:27,890 --> 01:32:26,100
believe I now believe this has been a

2137
01:32:30,110 --> 01:32:27,900
real growing interest of mine for years

2138
01:32:32,930 --> 01:32:30,120
like I'm looking really been looking

2139
01:32:34,970 --> 01:32:32,940
into human Origins human evolution early

2140
01:32:37,129 --> 01:32:34,980
human society prehistory all of it it

2141
01:32:40,310 --> 01:32:37,139
just fascinates me I've gone so far into

2142
01:32:42,649 --> 01:32:40,320
it and I have come to feel

2143
01:32:45,110 --> 01:32:42,659
that the process that we humans have

2144
01:32:52,070 --> 01:32:49,250
um actually makes perfect sense and that

2145
01:32:54,470 --> 01:32:52,080
I can easily see variations of what we

2146
01:32:57,250 --> 01:32:54,480
have gone through happening Elsewhere on

2147
01:32:59,050 --> 01:32:57,260
another world so that in other words uh

2148
01:33:01,729 --> 01:32:59,060
aggression

2149
01:33:04,310 --> 01:33:01,739
collaborative Cooperative violence which

2150
01:33:06,530 --> 01:33:04,320
is what we have always excelled at which

2151
01:33:10,430 --> 01:33:06,540
in fact has driven our technological

2152
01:33:13,370 --> 01:33:10,440
development Warfare like it or not is

2153
01:33:14,810 --> 01:33:13,380
one of the key drivers of how we are

2154
01:33:17,149 --> 01:33:14,820
able to have this very conversation

2155
01:33:18,110 --> 01:33:17,159
right now that's right that's a fact and

2156
01:33:20,390 --> 01:33:18,120
so

2157
01:33:22,250 --> 01:33:20,400
for an alien species or an

2158
01:33:24,770 --> 01:33:22,260
extraterrestrial species to achieve

2159
01:33:25,729 --> 01:33:24,780
highly advanced technology you have to

2160
01:33:27,950 --> 01:33:25,739
ask yourself

2161
01:33:30,110 --> 01:33:27,960
did they do this all

2162
01:33:32,990 --> 01:33:30,120
as a peaceful Society really right right

2163
01:33:34,790 --> 01:33:33,000
I don't think so right I just I don't

2164
01:33:37,930 --> 01:33:34,800
think so that doesn't mean that they're

2165
01:33:40,010 --> 01:33:37,940
out to put us in a in their cookbook

2166
01:33:42,590 --> 01:33:40,020
nowadays or I don't know what they're

2167
01:33:44,209 --> 01:33:42,600
trying to do but they they have their

2168
01:33:47,149 --> 01:33:44,219
own volition

2169
01:33:48,890 --> 01:33:47,159
and that may be we may be happy with

2170
01:33:52,550 --> 01:33:48,900
their volition but we may not be but the

2171
01:33:54,410 --> 01:33:52,560
fact is we it would be very wise before

2172
01:33:55,790 --> 01:33:54,420
we make snap judgments about saying

2173
01:34:01,610 --> 01:33:55,800
they're all

2174
01:34:03,709 --> 01:34:01,620
which is what Stephen Greer does say and

2175
01:34:06,169 --> 01:34:03,719
I just feel like that is that's just

2176
01:34:08,030 --> 01:34:06,179
dangerous that's a dangerous statement

2177
01:34:10,430 --> 01:34:08,040
and he really

2178
01:34:13,310 --> 01:34:10,440
I've never understood this

2179
01:34:16,129 --> 01:34:13,320
except you know I read his autobiography

2180
01:34:17,570 --> 01:34:16,139
years ago and he has all these spiritual

2181
01:34:19,610 --> 01:34:17,580
experiences he's talked about he

2182
01:34:23,030 --> 01:34:19,620
levitated when he was like what 17 and

2183
01:34:26,030 --> 01:34:23,040
he called in the uh

2184
01:34:27,410 --> 01:34:26,040
wasn't it the the 1973 wave of sightings

2185
01:34:29,330 --> 01:34:27,420
like that was him because he was just

2186
01:34:30,709 --> 01:34:29,340
too awesome he didn't realize his powers

2187
01:34:33,050 --> 01:34:30,719
were so great he brought them in this is

2188
01:34:34,729 --> 01:34:33,060
literally what he says and he prevented

2189
01:34:37,129 --> 01:34:34,739
uh George Bush Senior for being

2190
01:34:39,649 --> 01:34:37,139
assassinated somehow he spoke with Bill

2191
01:34:43,129 --> 01:34:39,659
Clinton on the astral somehow like he

2192
01:34:45,950 --> 01:34:43,139
did all of these these superhero things

2193
01:34:47,570 --> 01:34:45,960
uh and that gives him this insight

2194
01:34:49,610 --> 01:34:47,580
into

2195
01:34:52,129 --> 01:34:49,620
all of the Extraterrestrial species I

2196
01:34:54,830 --> 01:34:52,139
mean like can we just call

2197
01:34:56,750 --> 01:34:54,840
BS on this are we allowed to do this at

2198
01:34:59,750 --> 01:34:56,760
this point in time because I am I don't

2199
01:35:02,750 --> 01:34:59,760
believe a word of that and so you know

2200
01:35:06,610 --> 01:35:02,760
how does he know that these these

2201
01:35:10,430 --> 01:35:06,620
species are all good to us

2202
01:35:12,169 --> 01:35:10,440
he doesn't no and so when he says this

2203
01:35:14,330 --> 01:35:12,179
and I mean I've been harping on this for

2204
01:35:16,129 --> 01:35:14,340
a while and I want to we can move on but

2205
01:35:19,250 --> 01:35:16,139
this is a

2206
01:35:21,470 --> 01:35:19,260
as I said before it's dangerous

2207
01:35:24,649 --> 01:35:21,480
and and he's got a lot of influence and

2208
01:35:26,390 --> 01:35:24,659
people are people want to believe that

2209
01:35:28,250 --> 01:35:26,400
all like that we're the only bad ones

2210
01:35:30,050 --> 01:35:28,260
they want to believe that all the space

2211
01:35:31,370 --> 01:35:30,060
brothers are here to help us to elevate

2212
01:35:33,229 --> 01:35:31,380
us and bring us to the next density

2213
01:35:35,810 --> 01:35:33,239
whatever you want to call it

2214
01:35:39,590 --> 01:35:35,820
that's this is another sign of the

2215
01:35:41,750 --> 01:35:39,600
rampant utopianism that permeates and is

2216
01:35:43,910 --> 01:35:41,760
toxified much of our culture and

2217
01:35:46,129 --> 01:35:43,920
Community not just the UFO field it's

2218
01:35:48,169 --> 01:35:46,139
everywhere but this belief that we're

2219
01:35:50,930 --> 01:35:48,179
going to achieve all these wonderful

2220
01:35:55,550 --> 01:35:50,940
things if only we can just stop being

2221
01:35:59,450 --> 01:35:55,560
you know what we are uh I feel like it

2222
01:36:01,090 --> 01:35:59,460
reminds me of that scene in Independence

2223
01:36:04,490 --> 01:36:01,100
Day right

2224
01:36:08,330 --> 01:36:04,500
thing is over Los Angeles and everybody

2225
01:36:10,990 --> 01:36:08,340
gets on top of the skyscraper right and

2226
01:36:14,629 --> 01:36:11,000
and the ship is opening up on the bottom

2227
01:36:16,850 --> 01:36:14,639
and the the lady is holding up the sign

2228
01:36:18,890 --> 01:36:16,860
you know Welcome To Earth that's right

2229
01:36:20,980 --> 01:36:18,900
we love you and she's holding up to sign

2230
01:36:25,090 --> 01:36:20,990
and she's sir

2231
01:36:30,050 --> 01:36:27,830
Patchouli you know gotta have the

2232
01:36:32,270 --> 01:36:30,060
Patchouli that's important very

2233
01:36:33,649 --> 01:36:32,280
important she's got her she's got her

2234
01:36:37,910 --> 01:36:33,659
pineal gland

2235
01:36:40,790 --> 01:36:37,920
uh Crystal glue to her head and boom the

2236
01:36:44,270 --> 01:36:40,800
building gets blasted right and and and

2237
01:36:46,790 --> 01:36:44,280
I understand your point people want to

2238
01:36:50,570 --> 01:36:46,800
believe that and that's fine I I get it

2239
01:36:53,570 --> 01:36:50,580
but it's a dangerous Zone to the

2240
01:36:56,990 --> 01:36:53,580
universe is built on one basic principle

2241
01:36:59,870 --> 01:36:57,000
there's ones and zeros no positive

2242
01:37:02,470 --> 01:36:59,880
without a negative no black without a

2243
01:37:05,990 --> 01:37:02,480
white right and you that that that

2244
01:37:09,350 --> 01:37:06,000
balance is there and

2245
01:37:12,590 --> 01:37:09,360
there you don't have animal species that

2246
01:37:14,750 --> 01:37:12,600
that uh don't eat other species they

2247
01:37:16,189 --> 01:37:14,760
maybe they eat plants but they eat

2248
01:37:18,050 --> 01:37:16,199
something

2249
01:37:19,250 --> 01:37:18,060
they they've got to consume they have to

2250
01:37:22,370 --> 01:37:19,260
live

2251
01:37:26,410 --> 01:37:22,380
they have needs they have interests

2252
01:37:29,209 --> 01:37:26,420
maybe they're here for baby seals

2253
01:37:30,070 --> 01:37:29,219
there's nothing cuter than a baby seal I

2254
01:37:34,209 --> 01:37:30,080
mean

2255
01:37:36,530 --> 01:37:34,219
wouldn't that just blow Greer's entire

2256
01:37:39,350 --> 01:37:36,540
scenario if they were here harvesting

2257
01:37:41,209 --> 01:37:39,360
baby seals because that's that's their

2258
01:37:42,709 --> 01:37:41,219
favorite thing let me just say there's

2259
01:37:43,910 --> 01:37:42,719
one other thing I I just wanna I don't

2260
01:37:46,310 --> 01:37:43,920
want to bash

2261
01:37:48,169 --> 01:37:46,320
Greer I don't know without pointing out

2262
01:37:50,450 --> 01:37:48,179
that he makes some good points he does

2263
01:37:51,649 --> 01:37:50,460
he does so he just States I'm looking at

2264
01:37:53,450 --> 01:37:51,659
the notes if I just met he says

2265
01:37:55,550 --> 01:37:53,460
extraterrestrial technology has been

2266
01:37:56,689 --> 01:37:55,560
studied and reverse engineered leading

2267
01:37:58,669 --> 01:37:56,699
to breakthroughs in energy and

2268
01:38:00,590 --> 01:37:58,679
propulsion I believe that I think many

2269
01:38:02,209 --> 01:38:00,600
people believe that he goes on he says

2270
01:38:04,010 --> 01:38:02,219
an extremely secret organization has

2271
01:38:05,570 --> 01:38:04,020
been running these projects without

2272
01:38:08,629 --> 01:38:05,580
legal constitutional government

2273
01:38:11,450 --> 01:38:08,639
oversight since the late 1950s correct

2274
01:38:14,090 --> 01:38:11,460
uh I I don't yeah I mean I don't know

2275
01:38:15,530 --> 01:38:14,100
about the exact year here but yes I

2276
01:38:17,930 --> 01:38:15,540
agree with that I think he's exactly

2277
01:38:21,310 --> 01:38:17,940
right yep and he points he's a lot of

2278
01:38:24,250 --> 01:38:21,320
these points like this is an illegal

2279
01:38:28,490 --> 01:38:24,260
unconstitutional wrong

2280
01:38:31,430 --> 01:38:28,500
immoral activity and I agree with that I

2281
01:38:33,350 --> 01:38:31,440
think he's he is correct

2282
01:38:35,149 --> 01:38:33,360
um and you know talking about the Deep

2283
01:38:37,610 --> 01:38:35,159
covert nature of this and look this is

2284
01:38:39,470 --> 01:38:37,620
the guy who basically kicked off he got

2285
01:38:41,450 --> 01:38:39,480
he's the one who got us the Davis Wilson

2286
01:38:42,950 --> 01:38:41,460
notes without it without Stephen Greer

2287
01:38:46,129 --> 01:38:42,960
that would not have happened it was

2288
01:38:47,990 --> 01:38:46,139
Stephen Greer in 1997 who was making the

2289
01:38:51,050 --> 01:38:48,000
rounds in DC talking about black

2290
01:38:52,910 --> 01:38:51,060
programs that were being ignored that

2291
01:38:54,770 --> 01:38:52,920
were out of control of the government

2292
01:38:57,770 --> 01:38:54,780
back then

2293
01:39:00,770 --> 01:38:57,780
25 plus years ago so I'm going to give

2294
01:39:04,610 --> 01:39:00,780
the man that much credit he has been on

2295
01:39:07,250 --> 01:39:04,620
a path here but it's this obsession

2296
01:39:09,950 --> 01:39:07,260
with with emphasizing that all of these

2297
01:39:11,629 --> 01:39:09,960
et's are beneficent and positive and

2298
01:39:14,330 --> 01:39:11,639
mean us no harm

2299
01:39:17,450 --> 01:39:14,340
I just feel that that is that's beyond

2300
01:39:19,390 --> 01:39:17,460
foolishness it's it's dangerous

2301
01:39:25,430 --> 01:39:19,400
dangerous in the extreme

2302
01:39:30,950 --> 01:39:27,709
we need you know where's the Intrepid

2303
01:39:32,270 --> 01:39:30,960
journalist right but he he made this

2304
01:39:37,729 --> 01:39:32,280
point today

2305
01:39:40,010 --> 01:39:37,739
that we learn to control gravity in

2306
01:39:41,750 --> 01:39:40,020
1954.

2307
01:39:45,229 --> 01:39:41,760
now

2308
01:39:49,430 --> 01:39:45,239
um bold bold claim bold statement but

2309
01:39:53,270 --> 01:39:49,440
this is where I'm I'm with Greer on this

2310
01:39:55,910 --> 01:39:53,280
point now I don't know factually uh you

2311
01:39:59,750 --> 01:39:55,920
know he's got an unnamed story this or

2312
01:40:02,169 --> 01:39:59,760
at the foosh anyway it doesn't not Edgar

2313
01:40:04,390 --> 01:40:02,179
Boucher

2314
01:40:06,709 --> 01:40:04,400
he's died

2315
01:40:10,490 --> 01:40:06,719
let's let's get away from that for a

2316
01:40:14,510 --> 01:40:10,500
second but one thing that I do agree

2317
01:40:19,070 --> 01:40:14,520
with this statement that we uh learned

2318
01:40:20,330 --> 01:40:19,080
to control gravity in 1954 is that every

2319
01:40:23,689 --> 01:40:20,340
company

2320
01:40:25,510 --> 01:40:23,699
that is was in the technical world was

2321
01:40:29,209 --> 01:40:25,520
working on that

2322
01:40:30,189 --> 01:40:29,219
that's it I mean all the way of every

2323
01:40:31,870 --> 01:40:30,199
University

2324
01:40:35,990 --> 01:40:31,880
everybody

2325
01:40:39,110 --> 01:40:36,000
the physics of it it was always about

2326
01:40:41,870 --> 01:40:39,120
gravity now do we figure it out as early

2327
01:40:44,209 --> 01:40:41,880
as 1954 well I mean there was a lot of

2328
01:40:46,250 --> 01:40:44,219
research that was already being applied

2329
01:40:48,229 --> 01:40:46,260
to that not only here in the United

2330
01:40:49,669 --> 01:40:48,239
States but different countries around

2331
01:40:52,970 --> 01:40:49,679
the world

2332
01:40:56,450 --> 01:40:52,980
um uh up and leading into World War II

2333
01:40:58,970 --> 01:40:56,460
we were definitely looking into the uh

2334
01:41:01,250 --> 01:40:58,980
to to control gravity he says it was

2335
01:41:02,990 --> 01:41:01,260
1954.

2336
01:41:04,790 --> 01:41:03,000
um I thought that was a a pretty

2337
01:41:07,790 --> 01:41:04,800
important point do you think that we've

2338
01:41:10,790 --> 01:41:07,800
had I think it's possible it's it's

2339
01:41:13,010 --> 01:41:10,800
possible yes it's possible I don't know

2340
01:41:14,990 --> 01:41:13,020
what his what evidence he's provided

2341
01:41:17,570 --> 01:41:15,000
that will allow uh additional

2342
01:41:19,310 --> 01:41:17,580
independent researchers to to go into it

2343
01:41:21,229 --> 01:41:19,320
and check it

2344
01:41:24,709 --> 01:41:21,239
um this is the problem with claims like

2345
01:41:27,770 --> 01:41:24,719
this it's it strikes me as plausible

2346
01:41:30,410 --> 01:41:27,780
that gravity could have been at least

2347
01:41:31,850 --> 01:41:30,420
in principle understood that early I

2348
01:41:34,669 --> 01:41:31,860
think that is possible

2349
01:41:37,070 --> 01:41:34,679
but you know I mean and there's actually

2350
01:41:38,689 --> 01:41:37,080
a pretty good circumstantial case that

2351
01:41:40,850 --> 01:41:38,699
one could make I mean as you were

2352
01:41:43,010 --> 01:41:40,860
pointing out in the in the early 50s

2353
01:41:45,290 --> 01:41:43,020
right up into the mid I think up to 1956

2354
01:41:47,689 --> 01:41:45,300
there were a variety of articles that

2355
01:41:49,430 --> 01:41:47,699
were written this is very well known uh

2356
01:41:51,649 --> 01:41:49,440
among researchers that we're talking

2357
01:41:55,189 --> 01:41:51,659
about our imminent breakthrough in

2358
01:41:57,109 --> 01:41:55,199
gravity control this is absolutely being

2359
01:41:58,790 --> 01:41:57,119
discussed and then suddenly it was not

2360
01:42:01,310 --> 01:41:58,800
being discussed it just went all went

2361
01:42:03,350 --> 01:42:01,320
away it all went dark uh you know this

2362
01:42:05,709 --> 01:42:03,360
is during the time when T Townsend Brown

2363
01:42:08,149 --> 01:42:05,719
the brilliant

2364
01:42:10,010 --> 01:42:08,159
you know Pioneer of electric gravitics

2365
01:42:12,470 --> 01:42:10,020
was doing his work and his experiments

2366
01:42:15,290 --> 01:42:12,480
something called project Winter Haven at

2367
01:42:17,689 --> 01:42:15,300
that time where he did seem to have the

2368
01:42:20,930 --> 01:42:17,699
ability to have the uh he had this large

2369
01:42:21,950 --> 01:42:20,940
kind of disc like object attached to a

2370
01:42:23,689 --> 01:42:21,960
tether

2371
01:42:25,070 --> 01:42:23,699
and he applied electrostatic charge

2372
01:42:26,689 --> 01:42:25,080
positive and negative to each of the

2373
01:42:28,129 --> 01:42:26,699
ends of the disc and he was able to get

2374
01:42:30,590 --> 01:42:28,139
that thing to move

2375
01:42:32,209 --> 01:42:30,600
and then the U.S Navy came in and

2376
01:42:34,310 --> 01:42:32,219
apparently they he started working for

2377
01:42:35,990 --> 01:42:34,320
them and brown brown lived a very good

2378
01:42:38,450 --> 01:42:36,000
life for the rest of his life he lived

2379
01:42:41,330 --> 01:42:38,460
very very well and I think he he did

2380
01:42:42,649 --> 01:42:41,340
additional work for the for the I think

2381
01:42:44,510 --> 01:42:42,659
the Navy

2382
01:42:46,370 --> 01:42:44,520
on this matter so I think

2383
01:42:49,629 --> 01:42:46,380
electrogravidics

2384
01:42:52,010 --> 01:42:49,639
would be the most likely key for

2385
01:42:55,250 --> 01:42:52,020
anti-gravidic type of Technology of the

2386
01:42:57,770 --> 01:42:55,260
1950s just because Brown was so advanced

2387
01:42:59,750 --> 01:42:57,780
in what he was doing maybe there's

2388
01:43:01,490 --> 01:42:59,760
something else going on that you know we

2389
01:43:03,590 --> 01:43:01,500
don't know about but anyway yeah I think

2390
01:43:06,830 --> 01:43:03,600
it's totally possible it's just what

2391
01:43:10,149 --> 01:43:06,840
matters is is uh did the press

2392
01:43:14,149 --> 01:43:10,159
conference provide

2393
01:43:16,669 --> 01:43:14,159
uh evidence that could be analyzed and

2394
01:43:18,590 --> 01:43:16,679
studied and I I have to plead ignorance

2395
01:43:23,750 --> 01:43:18,600
here I don't know if that was done well

2396
01:43:26,270 --> 01:43:23,760
is it is it is is now the time uh now

2397
01:43:29,030 --> 01:43:26,280
that grush has done his thing and and

2398
01:43:31,910 --> 01:43:29,040
we've got all of this movement happening

2399
01:43:34,070 --> 01:43:31,920
in Washington DC and within the

2400
01:43:36,410 --> 01:43:34,080
Department of Defense too as well and of

2401
01:43:39,350 --> 01:43:36,420
course the intelligence Community we

2402
01:43:42,770 --> 01:43:39,360
can't leave them out of this picture

2403
01:43:44,270 --> 01:43:42,780
um is is it now time to just start

2404
01:43:46,669 --> 01:43:44,280
naming names

2405
01:43:48,950 --> 01:43:46,679
so when when Stephen Greer steps up to

2406
01:43:52,189 --> 01:43:48,960
the mic and says

2407
01:43:54,430 --> 01:43:52,199
we learn to control gravity in 1954.

2408
01:43:58,010 --> 01:43:54,440
okay well that okay okay

2409
01:44:01,729 --> 01:43:58,020
does the statement need to be

2410
01:44:04,149 --> 01:44:01,739
Bell Labs learn to control gravity in

2411
01:44:06,770 --> 01:44:04,159
1954 and here

2412
01:44:09,649 --> 01:44:06,780
you know what I mean is that where we

2413
01:44:12,169 --> 01:44:09,659
are at we we let's just start to get to

2414
01:44:14,629 --> 01:44:12,179
the meat of the matter start naming

2415
01:44:16,609 --> 01:44:14,639
names and and and and quit fussing about

2416
01:44:18,169 --> 01:44:16,619
well the real problem I mean think about

2417
01:44:21,470 --> 01:44:18,179
this from an investigative point of view

2418
01:44:22,550 --> 01:44:21,480
is how do you get to factual verifiable

2419
01:44:24,590 --> 01:44:22,560
data

2420
01:44:26,090 --> 01:44:24,600
you know in in the case of the people at

2421
01:44:27,290 --> 01:44:26,100
the press conference they all have their

2422
01:44:29,510 --> 01:44:27,300
own particular

2423
01:44:32,270 --> 01:44:29,520
uh angle of approach where they where

2424
01:44:34,070 --> 01:44:32,280
they worked and so on uh do they have

2425
01:44:36,410 --> 01:44:34,080
you know you said there was a Raytheon

2426
01:44:38,750 --> 01:44:36,420
guy there does does he have Raytheon

2427
01:44:39,890 --> 01:44:38,760
documents that he's able to present and

2428
01:44:43,129 --> 01:44:39,900
say yes

2429
01:44:45,410 --> 01:44:43,139
in 1978 we did this we were working on

2430
01:44:47,209 --> 01:44:45,420
this technology that was ET related

2431
01:44:49,490 --> 01:44:47,219
here's the proof like that's what needs

2432
01:44:52,750 --> 01:44:49,500
to be done uh

2433
01:44:55,850 --> 01:44:52,760
it is a good thing that you have

2434
01:44:57,890 --> 01:44:55,860
verifiable individuals I assume all

2435
01:44:59,209 --> 01:44:57,900
these people can be verified who are

2436
01:45:01,669 --> 01:44:59,219
willing to go on the record all of that

2437
01:45:04,970 --> 01:45:01,679
is good but from the point of view of a

2438
01:45:07,250 --> 01:45:04,980
skeptical media and I think our media is

2439
01:45:09,430 --> 01:45:07,260
still quite skeptical they're still very

2440
01:45:11,750 --> 01:45:09,440
hesitant to go into this story

2441
01:45:13,430 --> 01:45:11,760
I mean I have to think they're going to

2442
01:45:15,649 --> 01:45:13,440
need a little bit more than that I mean

2443
01:45:18,350 --> 01:45:15,659
even a guy like David grush who

2444
01:45:21,649 --> 01:45:18,360
uh uh Tracy was just telling me during

2445
01:45:24,590 --> 01:45:21,659
the break in your chat I think one of

2446
01:45:26,209 --> 01:45:24,600
the contributors to the chat said that

2447
01:45:28,609 --> 01:45:26,219
uh something like there was a Congo

2448
01:45:32,689 --> 01:45:28,619
someone said there was a conga line of

2449
01:45:35,450 --> 01:45:32,699
people willing to support David grush

2450
01:45:37,310 --> 01:45:35,460
like that he has tremendous support but

2451
01:45:39,709 --> 01:45:37,320
even so

2452
01:45:43,070 --> 01:45:39,719
if he doesn't provide if he can't

2453
01:45:46,790 --> 01:45:43,080
provide hard data

2454
01:45:49,850 --> 01:45:46,800
names even Department names

2455
01:45:51,470 --> 01:45:49,860
uh specifics in one form or another it's

2456
01:45:54,590 --> 01:45:51,480
going to be difficult for him to get a

2457
01:45:57,169 --> 01:45:54,600
lot of Forward Motion I could as far as

2458
01:45:59,689 --> 01:45:57,179
we have come with this I could see it

2459
01:46:02,209 --> 01:45:59,699
happening that this could still stall

2460
01:46:07,750 --> 01:46:02,219
even now it's possible it could stall I

2461
01:46:10,870 --> 01:46:07,760
mean is is B okay is it because

2462
01:46:15,250 --> 01:46:10,880
being on the bigot list

2463
01:46:17,689 --> 01:46:15,260
is too important for everybody

2464
01:46:20,570 --> 01:46:17,699
they don't want to get kicked out of the

2465
01:46:22,669 --> 01:46:20,580
club it took a lot of work to get in you

2466
01:46:24,290 --> 01:46:22,679
know and that's a great point and yes I

2467
01:46:28,010 --> 01:46:24,300
agree with that

2468
01:46:29,990 --> 01:46:28,020
these guys they when you I you know I've

2469
01:46:31,910 --> 01:46:30,000
never been in the military I'm not in

2470
01:46:33,950 --> 01:46:31,920
the Intel I've never had clearance but

2471
01:46:37,910 --> 01:46:33,960
uh I do know

2472
01:46:40,310 --> 01:46:37,920
those guys and and women who who work

2473
01:46:44,030 --> 01:46:40,320
their tails off

2474
01:46:45,290 --> 01:46:44,040
to get those clearances that is not an

2475
01:46:47,450 --> 01:46:45,300
easy thing to do you got to go through

2476
01:46:49,669 --> 01:46:47,460
all the background checks FBI

2477
01:46:51,590 --> 01:46:49,679
investigations like the whole thing this

2478
01:46:54,530 --> 01:46:51,600
is an ordeal

2479
01:46:56,689 --> 01:46:54,540
to get that is a prize and then to lose

2480
01:46:58,070 --> 01:46:56,699
it you lose your clearance even if

2481
01:47:00,290 --> 01:46:58,080
you're not prosecuted you lose your

2482
01:47:01,790 --> 01:47:00,300
clearance good luck getting work in your

2483
01:47:05,390 --> 01:47:01,800
industry

2484
01:47:06,410 --> 01:47:05,400
so this is very very important very

2485
01:47:08,750 --> 01:47:06,420
coveted

2486
01:47:12,050 --> 01:47:08,760
so yes I think it is fair to say the

2487
01:47:13,850 --> 01:47:12,060
people who have gone in who are on those

2488
01:47:15,669 --> 01:47:13,860
bigot lists that's the the list of the

2489
01:47:17,750 --> 01:47:15,679
Insiders in the program

2490
01:47:20,750 --> 01:47:17,760
it's very difficult to imagine them

2491
01:47:25,910 --> 01:47:20,760
wanting to to risk that

2492
01:47:31,370 --> 01:47:28,790
there she is there's my wife's biscuit

2493
01:47:33,649 --> 01:47:31,380
or cake Ross cult artist oh Colt Ross

2494
01:47:36,290 --> 01:47:33,659
has said Thank you Tracy there is a

2495
01:47:38,390 --> 01:47:36,300
Congo line of people I forgot it was

2496
01:47:41,149 --> 01:47:38,400
Roth willing to vouch for David grush

2497
01:47:45,109 --> 01:47:41,159
there you go Tracy is the best now a

2498
01:47:48,169 --> 01:47:45,119
bigot list now before everybody that

2499
01:47:50,810 --> 01:47:48,179
that that uh is gonna jump to a

2500
01:47:54,590 --> 01:47:50,820
conclusion because of uh what it is

2501
01:47:58,729 --> 01:47:54,600
called this was uh not bigot like you

2502
01:48:02,629 --> 01:47:58,739
think bigot b-i-g-o-t correct is World

2503
01:48:06,169 --> 01:48:02,639
War II World War II the British uh uh

2504
01:48:08,750 --> 01:48:06,179
were getting ready to uh to do some

2505
01:48:13,370 --> 01:48:08,760
stuff and but it was the ultimate in

2506
01:48:16,790 --> 01:48:13,380
secret information so to get access to

2507
01:48:18,890 --> 01:48:16,800
the things that were going on you had to

2508
01:48:20,810 --> 01:48:18,900
be added to the bigot list the big

2509
01:48:23,390 --> 01:48:20,820
acronym it stands for I can't remember

2510
01:48:26,149 --> 01:48:23,400
the exact acronym do you know that I'll

2511
01:48:31,910 --> 01:48:26,159
give you the acronym right now it's uh

2512
01:48:35,870 --> 01:48:31,920
it stands for uh uh to Gibraltar okay

2513
01:48:38,470 --> 01:48:35,880
and so uh it's a reversal of the

2514
01:48:42,070 --> 01:48:38,480
co-words to give

2515
01:48:46,250 --> 01:48:42,080
t-o-g-i-b meaning two Gibraltars so it's

2516
01:48:50,750 --> 01:48:46,260
backwards okay so that was the invasion

2517
01:48:52,970 --> 01:48:50,760
plans okay so anyway but uh it's a list

2518
01:48:55,550 --> 01:48:52,980
of personnel possessing appropriate

2519
01:48:57,770 --> 01:48:55,560
security clearance and who are cleared

2520
01:49:01,070 --> 01:48:57,780
to no details of a particular operation

2521
01:49:04,010 --> 01:49:01,080
or other sensitive information and so

2522
01:49:06,530 --> 01:49:04,020
the bigot list for something like okay

2523
01:49:10,250 --> 01:49:06,540
I'll give you an example reverse

2524
01:49:13,189 --> 01:49:10,260
engineering spacecraft at Lockheed right

2525
01:49:16,010 --> 01:49:13,199
sure junk works if you are probably the

2526
01:49:17,810 --> 01:49:16,020
list that Wilson looked at back in 1997.

2527
01:49:18,850 --> 01:49:17,820
that's right that was the biggest he

2528
01:49:22,510 --> 01:49:18,860
looked at

2529
01:49:25,550 --> 01:49:22,520
to get on that list it's it's it's it's

2530
01:49:27,169 --> 01:49:25,560
background it's security clearances but

2531
01:49:29,510 --> 01:49:27,179
it's also Trust

2532
01:49:32,810 --> 01:49:29,520
you have to try and and one of the

2533
01:49:34,330 --> 01:49:32,820
things is you will never

2534
01:49:36,290 --> 01:49:34,340
ever

2535
01:49:37,490 --> 01:49:36,300
disclose this

2536
01:49:41,450 --> 01:49:37,500
ever

2537
01:49:44,209 --> 01:49:41,460
that's it no matter what chips go down

2538
01:49:47,209 --> 01:49:44,219
no matter what threats no matter what

2539
01:49:50,330 --> 01:49:47,219
happens right your puppies are being

2540
01:49:53,330 --> 01:49:50,340
killed but you're not talking and and

2541
01:49:57,169 --> 01:49:53,340
that's the bigot list and so to get on

2542
01:49:59,209 --> 01:49:57,179
that list is for somebody like you know

2543
01:50:02,290 --> 01:49:59,219
to step off of the list and say okay I

2544
01:50:05,450 --> 01:50:02,300
worked at Lockheed Skunk Works yes

2545
01:50:06,950 --> 01:50:05,460
that is for everybody that has been

2546
01:50:11,990 --> 01:50:06,960
working in this program you've now

2547
01:50:14,390 --> 01:50:12,000
betrayed them and is that list that

2548
01:50:17,390 --> 01:50:14,400
strong and that powerful and I'm gonna

2549
01:50:18,250 --> 01:50:17,400
say yes I think the answer clearly is

2550
01:50:20,570 --> 01:50:18,260
yes

2551
01:50:26,810 --> 01:50:20,580
I think so

2552
01:50:29,330 --> 01:50:26,820
asked me over the years why don't one of

2553
01:50:32,810 --> 01:50:29,340
these insiders just break ranks and and

2554
01:50:35,629 --> 01:50:32,820
give up the game and name names and uh

2555
01:50:37,430 --> 01:50:35,639
I mean I'm no expert I don't I don't

2556
01:50:39,290 --> 01:50:37,440
you know I don't know how a lot of these

2557
01:50:41,510 --> 01:50:39,300
people think and I only I only know a

2558
01:50:43,910 --> 01:50:41,520
couple of of

2559
01:50:45,470 --> 01:50:43,920
individuals who are in a position where

2560
01:50:46,669 --> 01:50:45,480
they might be able to do something like

2561
01:50:48,709 --> 01:50:46,679
that

2562
01:50:49,910 --> 01:50:48,719
and but I do know they're obsessed with

2563
01:50:52,490 --> 01:50:49,920
their maintaining their security

2564
01:50:54,830 --> 01:50:52,500
clearances they're obsessed with it it

2565
01:50:56,090 --> 01:50:54,840
means everything to them so what's next

2566
01:50:57,470 --> 01:50:56,100
though

2567
01:50:59,629 --> 01:50:57,480
well that's an interesting well maybe

2568
01:51:00,830 --> 01:50:59,639
the hearings are next that would be

2569
01:51:02,270 --> 01:51:00,840
interesting

2570
01:51:05,270 --> 01:51:02,280
um here's here's something that we need

2571
01:51:07,910 --> 01:51:05,280
to point out when Dr Sean Kirkpatrick

2572
01:51:10,250 --> 01:51:07,920
was giving his briefing

2573
01:51:11,750 --> 01:51:10,260
to the the senate committee just uh what

2574
01:51:13,430 --> 01:51:11,760
month or two ago

2575
01:51:15,350 --> 01:51:13,440
you know he he

2576
01:51:20,510 --> 01:51:15,360
I think we we can say

2577
01:51:22,910 --> 01:51:20,520
he effectually lied when he said that

2578
01:51:24,770 --> 01:51:22,920
the arrow office had no evidence

2579
01:51:27,410 --> 01:51:24,780
that any of these UAP were

2580
01:51:28,910 --> 01:51:27,420
extraterrestrial or you know along those

2581
01:51:31,010 --> 01:51:28,920
lines and he did say that he was very

2582
01:51:32,689 --> 01:51:31,020
explicit now

2583
01:51:36,530 --> 01:51:32,699
because you have to you have to assume

2584
01:51:37,729 --> 01:51:36,540
he spoke with how many individuals who

2585
01:51:41,270 --> 01:51:37,739
came to him

2586
01:51:44,450 --> 01:51:41,280
who told him what they knew

2587
01:51:46,550 --> 01:51:44,460
about the inner workings of

2588
01:51:48,050 --> 01:51:46,560
crash retrieval program or in the case

2589
01:51:49,550 --> 01:51:48,060
of Robert Salas the missiles at

2590
01:51:52,790 --> 01:51:49,560
Malmstrom being shut down or whatever

2591
01:51:55,129 --> 01:51:52,800
like he was given I have no doubt he was

2592
01:51:57,050 --> 01:51:55,139
given a lot of very good information and

2593
01:51:58,609 --> 01:51:57,060
yet he goes in front of Senator

2594
01:52:00,709 --> 01:51:58,619
gillibrand and says nope no evidence

2595
01:52:05,030 --> 01:52:00,719
that these are extraterrestrial

2596
01:52:08,750 --> 01:52:05,040
now it could be that the arrow office

2597
01:52:12,770 --> 01:52:08,760
does not have the authority

2598
01:52:16,189 --> 01:52:12,780
actually to determine if these are

2599
01:52:20,030 --> 01:52:16,199
extraterrestrial that's a possibility

2600
01:52:21,410 --> 01:52:20,040
that that the the authority to determine

2601
01:52:23,090 --> 01:52:21,420
whether these are extraterrestrial or

2602
01:52:25,790 --> 01:52:23,100
not might fall

2603
01:52:27,770 --> 01:52:25,800
to a different group and in fact you

2604
01:52:29,689 --> 01:52:27,780
know if you remember Kirkpatrick did

2605
01:52:31,970 --> 01:52:29,699
hint this is what the most interesting

2606
01:52:35,229 --> 01:52:31,980
thing about is is briefing was when he

2607
01:52:38,629 --> 01:52:35,239
talked about this other group of senior

2608
01:52:40,129 --> 01:52:38,639
individuals who received the reports

2609
01:52:41,990 --> 01:52:40,139
from his office he didn't really

2610
01:52:43,430 --> 01:52:42,000
identify who they were or say anything

2611
01:52:44,930 --> 01:52:43,440
about them and there was no follow-up

2612
01:52:46,430 --> 01:52:44,940
about them and it was the first time

2613
01:52:49,850 --> 01:52:46,440
that I'd heard that there was this

2614
01:52:52,370 --> 01:52:49,860
independent group of senior analysts who

2615
01:52:53,930 --> 01:52:52,380
looked at the arrow reports so I don't

2616
01:52:56,149 --> 01:52:53,940
know who has the authority but it could

2617
01:52:58,790 --> 01:52:56,159
very well be that hid he and his office

2618
01:53:00,590 --> 01:52:58,800
do not have the authority to make a

2619
01:53:02,330 --> 01:53:00,600
determination that these reports are

2620
01:53:05,270 --> 01:53:02,340
extraterrestrial and if that's the case

2621
01:53:06,970 --> 01:53:05,280
then he could legally say we have no

2622
01:53:09,109 --> 01:53:06,980
evidence that these are extraterrestrial

2623
01:53:12,050 --> 01:53:09,119
even though

2624
01:53:15,350 --> 01:53:12,060
he probably knows damn well that that's

2625
01:53:18,590 --> 01:53:15,360
the best explanation so they they were

2626
01:53:20,270 --> 01:53:18,600
not truthful and I just think that is

2627
01:53:22,370 --> 01:53:20,280
important for us to say I don't think

2628
01:53:24,470 --> 01:53:22,380
that his office was truthful but all of

2629
01:53:26,390 --> 01:53:24,480
those whistleblowers or individuals who

2630
01:53:28,370 --> 01:53:26,400
came to his office

2631
01:53:30,890 --> 01:53:28,380
I think it's at least a dozen or maybe

2632
01:53:33,050 --> 01:53:30,900
20 right about 20 people

2633
01:53:35,390 --> 01:53:33,060
well I think they should be subpoenaed

2634
01:53:38,330 --> 01:53:35,400
for the hearings yeah he said more more

2635
01:53:41,750 --> 01:53:38,340
than two dozen I think is is that sounds

2636
01:53:43,490 --> 01:53:41,760
right so I think I think hearings

2637
01:53:44,930 --> 01:53:43,500
in the next

2638
01:53:47,810 --> 01:53:44,940
I don't know a couple weeks month

2639
01:53:51,109 --> 01:53:47,820
whatever this might be soon

2640
01:53:53,990 --> 01:53:51,119
this might be really soon and if it is

2641
01:53:56,330 --> 01:53:54,000
well those people all all of them should

2642
01:53:58,370 --> 01:53:56,340
be subpoenaed to give testimony every

2643
01:54:02,350 --> 01:53:58,380
single one of them

2644
01:54:06,470 --> 01:54:02,360
the uh the the other part with this

2645
01:54:09,470 --> 01:54:06,480
would can we expect

2646
01:54:11,750 --> 01:54:09,480
to have documents and photographs put in

2647
01:54:14,629 --> 01:54:11,760
the public record and and shown at the

2648
01:54:17,870 --> 01:54:14,639
at the hearing video I think that would

2649
01:54:19,250 --> 01:54:17,880
be great uh will it happen I don't know

2650
01:54:21,229 --> 01:54:19,260
I don't know what kind of country we

2651
01:54:23,030 --> 01:54:21,239
have anymore like is this do we have

2652
01:54:24,890 --> 01:54:23,040
that type of society where these things

2653
01:54:26,930 --> 01:54:24,900
will make it to the public record I

2654
01:54:28,550 --> 01:54:26,940
talked to uh my friend Steve Bassett

2655
01:54:30,530 --> 01:54:28,560
he'll say yes that absolutely will

2656
01:54:33,109 --> 01:54:30,540
happen I hope that is true I don't know

2657
01:54:35,209 --> 01:54:33,119
I don't know how this is the protocols

2658
01:54:38,750 --> 01:54:35,219
of these hearings right right if you're

2659
01:54:39,950 --> 01:54:38,760
Marco Rubio right I'm just use Marco as

2660
01:54:42,109 --> 01:54:39,960
an example

2661
01:54:43,550 --> 01:54:42,119
um but if you're Marco Rubio you're

2662
01:54:47,149 --> 01:54:43,560
chairing the committee and you're

2663
01:54:49,910 --> 01:54:47,159
staring you know at your witness and uh

2664
01:54:53,270 --> 01:54:49,920
and in this case it's David grush and

2665
01:54:55,189 --> 01:54:53,280
you go okay all right good story

2666
01:54:58,669 --> 01:54:55,199
you got a picture

2667
01:55:03,410 --> 01:54:58,679
right and and as a matter of fact I do

2668
01:55:06,590 --> 01:55:03,420
right and and do we see that is that

2669
01:55:08,930 --> 01:55:06,600
under seal or you know and and this

2670
01:55:11,689 --> 01:55:08,940
hearing is in public

2671
01:55:13,370 --> 01:55:11,699
uh are they gonna do this behind that's

2672
01:55:16,250 --> 01:55:13,380
a good question that's a good question I

2673
01:55:17,689 --> 01:55:16,260
you know I don't know I have no idea uh

2674
01:55:21,290 --> 01:55:17,699
and your other question that's very on

2675
01:55:23,030 --> 01:55:21,300
point like well uh because I mean

2676
01:55:25,430 --> 01:55:23,040
clearly a lot of this information has

2677
01:55:27,070 --> 01:55:25,440
been classified we have to assume and so

2678
01:55:30,290 --> 01:55:27,080
the question will be

2679
01:55:31,910 --> 01:55:30,300
I don't I mean again this is not my

2680
01:55:33,470 --> 01:55:31,920
expertise in any way but I'm going to

2681
01:55:35,689 --> 01:55:33,480
assume that the hearing does not have

2682
01:55:37,609 --> 01:55:35,699
the authority simply to declassify

2683
01:55:39,649 --> 01:55:37,619
documents willy-nilly I mean do they

2684
01:55:41,750 --> 01:55:39,659
have that ability I'm thinking probably

2685
01:55:45,470 --> 01:55:41,760
not but maybe I'm wrong maybe they have

2686
01:55:47,990 --> 01:55:45,480
they can do that but if it's classified

2687
01:55:49,070 --> 01:55:48,000
than in a public hearing I would have to

2688
01:55:51,050 --> 01:55:49,080
assume

2689
01:55:52,729 --> 01:55:51,060
those types of documents might not see

2690
01:55:56,990 --> 01:55:52,739
the light of dang

2691
01:55:58,609 --> 01:55:57,000
you're the second point in uh A.D after

2692
01:56:01,209 --> 01:55:58,619
disclosure which you and I have

2693
01:56:03,729 --> 01:56:01,219
discussed over the years many many times

2694
01:56:09,109 --> 01:56:03,739
but I

2695
01:56:11,229 --> 01:56:09,119
something like this right some USB disk

2696
01:56:16,629 --> 01:56:11,239
right

2697
01:56:20,090 --> 01:56:16,639
some terabyte SSD USB crazy

2698
01:56:23,090 --> 01:56:20,100
something like that is going to pop

2699
01:56:26,090 --> 01:56:23,100
it's it there I I just don't think that

2700
01:56:29,390 --> 01:56:26,100
there is a way to keep everything

2701
01:56:31,729 --> 01:56:29,400
it was it it was easier 25 years ago it

2702
01:56:33,890 --> 01:56:31,739
was easier 50 years ago it's a different

2703
01:56:35,930 --> 01:56:33,900
world yeah yeah and this is something

2704
01:56:38,030 --> 01:56:35,940
again when we wrote A.D

2705
01:56:40,790 --> 01:56:38,040
one of one of the biggest reasons I used

2706
01:56:41,689 --> 01:56:40,800
I for years I would say disclosure is a

2707
01:56:44,390 --> 01:56:41,699
paradox

2708
01:56:47,030 --> 01:56:44,400
it's impossible and it's inevitable it's

2709
01:56:48,590 --> 01:56:47,040
both it's I always said it was

2710
01:56:50,629 --> 01:56:48,600
impossible because

2711
01:56:53,450 --> 01:56:50,639
you can really never see the motivation

2712
01:56:55,310 --> 01:56:53,460
for let's say the powers that be to give

2713
01:56:57,169 --> 01:56:55,320
this up voluntarily there's just too

2714
01:56:59,030 --> 01:56:57,179
much for them to lose and too much for

2715
01:57:00,050 --> 01:56:59,040
them to gain if they keep the secret to

2716
01:57:01,910 --> 01:57:00,060
themselves

2717
01:57:04,010 --> 01:57:01,920
that I can understand

2718
01:57:06,050 --> 01:57:04,020
but I always felt there was an

2719
01:57:08,689 --> 01:57:06,060
inevitability to the ending of UFO

2720
01:57:10,970 --> 01:57:08,699
secrecy simply because of the nature of

2721
01:57:12,530 --> 01:57:10,980
the world we now live in and partly it's

2722
01:57:14,510 --> 01:57:12,540
the web you know it's the

2723
01:57:16,430 --> 01:57:14,520
interconnectivity that we all have I

2724
01:57:18,770 --> 01:57:16,440
mean again we wrote this in 2009 and

2725
01:57:21,169 --> 01:57:18,780
2010 when

2726
01:57:23,450 --> 01:57:21,179
the web still seemed like a very free

2727
01:57:25,370 --> 01:57:23,460
place and there was not these uh

2728
01:57:27,770 --> 01:57:25,380
parameters that are being placed on it

2729
01:57:30,950 --> 01:57:27,780
to to guard us against ourselves

2730
01:57:33,649 --> 01:57:30,960
but even so I do think there's enough

2731
01:57:37,189 --> 01:57:33,659
pressure coming up from below from the

2732
01:57:39,410 --> 01:57:37,199
people to potentially Force this issue

2733
01:57:41,930 --> 01:57:39,420
open I and I do think that that remains

2734
01:57:43,250 --> 01:57:41,940
a possibility we have a lot stacked

2735
01:57:45,410 --> 01:57:43,260
against us

2736
01:57:48,189 --> 01:57:45,420
we should really not lose sight of that

2737
01:57:51,290 --> 01:57:48,199
we've got a very very powerful centrally

2738
01:57:53,089 --> 01:57:51,300
established group of people they control

2739
01:57:54,890 --> 01:57:53,099
the global Finance they control the

2740
01:57:57,770 --> 01:57:54,900
political systems they control the media

2741
01:57:59,570 --> 01:57:57,780
they control big Pharma they can they

2742
01:58:01,790 --> 01:57:59,580
control pretty much everything

2743
01:58:03,350 --> 01:58:01,800
and you know and they are the

2744
01:58:05,930 --> 01:58:03,360
technocrats who are creating a

2745
01:58:08,330 --> 01:58:05,940
technocracy to rule this world that's

2746
01:58:16,089 --> 01:58:08,340
what they're doing is the Petro dollar

2747
01:58:21,830 --> 01:58:19,729
it's not what it was in 1974 that's not

2748
01:58:26,149 --> 01:58:21,840
what it was two years ago two years ago

2749
01:58:29,330 --> 01:58:26,159
yeah it's in real trouble my most most

2750
01:58:31,790 --> 01:58:29,340
people don't understand Richard they

2751
01:58:35,750 --> 01:58:31,800
don't understand that every barrel of

2752
01:58:38,510 --> 01:58:35,760
oil sold on this planet no matter who or

2753
01:58:40,370 --> 01:58:38,520
what we make money on the United States

2754
01:58:42,410 --> 01:58:40,380
that's called the petrodollar that's it

2755
01:58:44,390 --> 01:58:42,420
this is all that the decline is due to

2756
01:58:47,209 --> 01:58:44,400
utterly I mean we're out of time but

2757
01:58:48,890 --> 01:58:47,219
Reckless Reckless policies by the United

2758
01:58:50,270 --> 01:58:48,900
States government over the last two

2759
01:58:52,310 --> 01:58:50,280
years particularly in the realm of

2760
01:58:54,169 --> 01:58:52,320
international relations there has never

2761
01:58:57,169 --> 01:58:54,179
been I know you'd want to hear politics

2762
01:59:00,410 --> 01:58:57,179
but there has never been such deep deep

2763
01:59:02,209 --> 01:59:00,420
incompetence and criminal negligence in

2764
01:59:05,589 --> 01:59:02,219
U.S foreign relations as we have seen in

2765
01:59:12,370 --> 01:59:09,589
if disclosure happens the Stephen Greer

2766
01:59:16,729 --> 01:59:12,380
version the the grush

2767
01:59:18,470 --> 01:59:16,739
my version your version whatever if it

2768
01:59:21,890 --> 01:59:18,480
happens

2769
01:59:25,790 --> 01:59:21,900
um the petrodite I I don't know if we

2770
01:59:28,070 --> 01:59:25,800
are completely aware of what that would

2771
01:59:30,070 --> 01:59:28,080
do to the world economy oh yeah the

2772
01:59:32,870 --> 01:59:30,080
energy Paradigm changes

2773
01:59:36,050 --> 01:59:32,880
look a 10 year old kid who sees a

2774
01:59:38,209 --> 01:59:36,060
zigzagging UFO moving across the sky is

2775
01:59:41,149 --> 01:59:38,219
going to realize uh whatever is making

2776
01:59:44,930 --> 01:59:41,159
that thing go it's not gasoline right

2777
01:59:47,689 --> 01:59:44,940
so it's something a little bit niftier

2778
01:59:49,910 --> 01:59:47,699
and whatever that is you know when you

2779
01:59:53,270 --> 01:59:49,920
get disclosure

2780
01:59:56,570 --> 01:59:53,280
we're gonna figure that out Nifty figure

2781
01:59:58,010 --> 01:59:56,580
it out it's niftier Nifty it's a good

2782
01:59:58,870 --> 01:59:58,020
it's an old-fashioned word yeah that's a

2783
02:00:03,460 --> 01:59:58,880
good word

2784
02:00:05,270 --> 02:00:03,470
man you muck right Mark muckracking

2785
02:00:06,609 --> 02:00:05,280
[Music]

2786
02:00:09,470 --> 02:00:06,619
um but yeah

2787
02:00:13,010 --> 02:00:09,480
you need to be really careful about what

2788
02:00:16,609 --> 02:00:13,020
you wish for but the the the other side

2789
02:00:20,450 --> 02:00:16,619
of it is uh there could be

2790
02:00:22,129 --> 02:00:20,460
um and my take is and and then we'll

2791
02:00:23,830 --> 02:00:22,139
wrap this up

2792
02:00:28,070 --> 02:00:23,840
I think that

2793
02:00:29,810 --> 02:00:28,080
Washington knows something

2794
02:00:32,930 --> 02:00:29,820
and they know something's about to break

2795
02:00:35,990 --> 02:00:32,940
that is out of their control there may

2796
02:00:38,089 --> 02:00:36,000
be a fleet of stuff on its way here and

2797
02:00:41,149 --> 02:00:38,099
they know about it and it's gonna arrive

2798
02:00:43,250 --> 02:00:41,159
in two years or whatever that maybe they

2799
02:00:47,030 --> 02:00:43,260
know something like that that something

2800
02:00:50,209 --> 02:00:47,040
is inevitable and you got to rip off

2801
02:00:52,790 --> 02:00:50,219
that band-aid and and maybe that's

2802
02:00:56,089 --> 02:00:52,800
that's what's in play here and so the

2803
02:00:59,629 --> 02:00:56,099
world economy and everything else uh

2804
02:01:02,209 --> 02:00:59,639
they've they've got something uh in the

2805
02:01:04,310 --> 02:01:02,219
works here's some here's the thought

2806
02:01:05,930 --> 02:01:04,320
and I'm not I'm not going partisan one

2807
02:01:08,750 --> 02:01:05,940
way or the other but if you want to look

2808
02:01:10,250 --> 02:01:08,760
at like Joe Biden's re-election chances

2809
02:01:11,570 --> 02:01:10,260
all right this guy's got some trouble

2810
02:01:14,810 --> 02:01:11,580
he's got some real negative reviews

2811
02:01:16,729 --> 02:01:14,820
everyone knows he's not real not all

2812
02:01:18,890 --> 02:01:16,739
there and a lot of bad things going on

2813
02:01:20,570 --> 02:01:18,900
and no one likes the vice president uh

2814
02:01:21,589 --> 02:01:20,580
candidate to replace him she's even less

2815
02:01:23,870 --> 02:01:21,599
popular

2816
02:01:25,430 --> 02:01:23,880
uh and no one knows what's going to

2817
02:01:27,050 --> 02:01:25,440
happen with Trump is he going to be able

2818
02:01:29,209 --> 02:01:27,060
to run or are they going to lawfare him

2819
02:01:30,589 --> 02:01:29,219
to death or whatever's going on

2820
02:01:33,830 --> 02:01:30,599
but

2821
02:01:35,870 --> 02:01:33,840
and and you know the current military

2822
02:01:37,189 --> 02:01:35,880
escapades in Ukraine are not going well

2823
02:01:38,990 --> 02:01:37,199
from a western point of view we'll just

2824
02:01:40,070 --> 02:01:39,000
leave it there so with all of that

2825
02:01:42,229 --> 02:01:40,080
happening

2826
02:01:43,609 --> 02:01:42,239
if you're on the team to re-elect the

2827
02:01:46,010 --> 02:01:43,619
current president

2828
02:01:48,530 --> 02:01:46,020
I actually Wonder

2829
02:01:50,990 --> 02:01:48,540
are they thinking of playing this card

2830
02:01:54,050 --> 02:01:51,000
right

2831
02:01:55,310 --> 02:01:54,060
I mean I know it seems insane it seems

2832
02:01:57,770 --> 02:01:55,320
crazy but

2833
02:01:59,629 --> 02:01:57,780
you gotta wonder you got this could be

2834
02:02:01,729 --> 02:01:59,639
like a political gift

2835
02:02:04,010 --> 02:02:01,739
for them

2836
02:02:06,970 --> 02:02:04,020
to take this bull by the horns as it

2837
02:02:11,030 --> 02:02:06,980
were and say yup it's real but of course

2838
02:02:14,209 --> 02:02:11,040
that the problem with that is

2839
02:02:17,870 --> 02:02:14,219
God Almighty like the the questions that

2840
02:02:19,570 --> 02:02:17,880
the Pandora's box that is opened up as a

2841
02:02:21,229 --> 02:02:19,580
result

2842
02:02:23,689 --> 02:02:21,239
is

2843
02:02:26,089 --> 02:02:23,699
has only been written about once and

2844
02:02:28,609 --> 02:02:26,099
that was by myself and Bryce Abel in our

2845
02:02:31,550 --> 02:02:28,619
wonderful book A.D after disclosure but

2846
02:02:34,189 --> 02:02:31,560
we what we saw was

2847
02:02:35,570 --> 02:02:34,199
potential pandemonium I mean just not

2848
02:02:37,310 --> 02:02:35,580
people running around in the streets

2849
02:02:40,550 --> 02:02:37,320
that type of thing but

2850
02:02:42,350 --> 02:02:40,560
a a social

2851
02:02:44,570 --> 02:02:42,360
and political and intellectual

2852
02:02:47,270 --> 02:02:44,580
Revolution definitely happening in in

2853
02:02:49,250 --> 02:02:47,280
the world and the results of which are

2854
02:02:51,229 --> 02:02:49,260
not easy to predict

2855
02:02:52,669 --> 02:02:51,239
and that's not that's not good if you're

2856
02:02:54,589 --> 02:02:52,679
if you're at the top of the power

2857
02:02:56,629 --> 02:02:54,599
pyramid you don't want things to be

2858
02:02:58,609 --> 02:02:56,639
shaken up that much because that's

2859
02:03:00,709 --> 02:02:58,619
that's when things can change against

2860
02:03:04,490 --> 02:03:00,719
your interests

2861
02:03:07,010 --> 02:03:04,500
you mean I lost my house and my car

2862
02:03:09,589 --> 02:03:07,020
because I couldn't pay my gas and

2863
02:03:12,050 --> 02:03:09,599
electric bill and you had free energy

2864
02:03:13,550 --> 02:03:12,060
for the last 80 years

2865
02:03:16,729 --> 02:03:13,560
you don't think you have to be some

2866
02:03:18,649 --> 02:03:16,739
pissed off people last option lawsuits

2867
02:03:20,270 --> 02:03:18,659
I've been hearing years ago Linda

2868
02:03:21,470 --> 02:03:20,280
Moulton Howe going off on she's saying

2869
02:03:23,629 --> 02:03:21,480
you know think about the airline

2870
02:03:25,430 --> 02:03:23,639
industry all the energy and fuel that

2871
02:03:26,570 --> 02:03:25,440
they waste and if there was a better

2872
02:03:28,910 --> 02:03:26,580
solution and I thought you know what

2873
02:03:33,530 --> 02:03:28,920
you're right like there's a lot of

2874
02:03:36,890 --> 02:03:33,540
there's a lot of uh areas for

2875
02:03:39,169 --> 02:03:36,900
angry you know torches in the street

2876
02:03:41,149 --> 02:03:39,179
pitchforks coming after the powers that

2877
02:03:43,910 --> 02:03:41,159
be over this lie and then we haven't

2878
02:03:45,890 --> 02:03:43,920
even gotten into abductions no we have

2879
02:03:49,490 --> 02:03:45,900
here you know I know we don't have time

2880
02:03:52,070 --> 02:03:49,500
but the the issues never end with this

2881
02:03:53,870 --> 02:03:52,080
subject that the structure to me that

2882
02:03:55,189 --> 02:03:53,880
it's been the structure of the secrecy

2883
02:03:57,890 --> 02:03:55,199
that's been my number one thing it's

2884
02:04:00,589 --> 02:03:57,900
like how have you kept this secret for

2885
02:04:03,530 --> 02:04:00,599
so long how have you perverted and

2886
02:04:05,390 --> 02:04:03,540
damaged are institutions that we hold so

2887
02:04:07,310 --> 02:04:05,400
sacrosanct because you know what here's

2888
02:04:10,070 --> 02:04:07,320
the thing I'm not interested in

2889
02:04:12,950 --> 02:04:10,080
disclosure within a fascist totalitarian

2890
02:04:15,050 --> 02:04:12,960
technocracy I'm not interested I'm

2891
02:04:17,209 --> 02:04:15,060
interested in disclosure within a free

2892
02:04:18,950 --> 02:04:17,219
society which is what I was born into at

2893
02:04:21,470 --> 02:04:18,960
least what I thought I was born into and

2894
02:04:24,790 --> 02:04:21,480
so I want

2895
02:04:27,410 --> 02:04:24,800
uh I want to know why this secret

2896
02:04:29,930 --> 02:04:27,420
destroyed the Republic I was I thought I

2897
02:04:31,609 --> 02:04:29,940
was born into I'd like to know what

2898
02:04:33,770 --> 02:04:31,619
happened to the academic institution how

2899
02:04:35,990 --> 02:04:33,780
were they just so diverted from their

2900
02:04:37,910 --> 02:04:36,000
cause of looking into the truth because

2901
02:04:39,169 --> 02:04:37,920
they were and they were manipulated by

2902
02:04:41,570 --> 02:04:39,179
the intelligence Community everyone

2903
02:04:43,189 --> 02:04:41,580
knows that same with the media which is

2904
02:04:44,870 --> 02:04:43,199
supposed to be the Watchdog of the

2905
02:04:47,149 --> 02:04:44,880
public in a functioning Democratic

2906
02:04:50,629 --> 02:04:47,159
Society which we know was just thrown

2907
02:04:52,550 --> 02:04:50,639
you know overboard back in the 1940s at

2908
02:04:53,870 --> 02:04:52,560
the latest in terms of freedom of

2909
02:04:55,850 --> 02:04:53,880
inquiry and all that I mean they've just

2910
02:04:59,450 --> 02:04:55,860
betrayed us they've betrayed their

2911
02:05:03,050 --> 02:04:59,460
ideals that's what the UFO secret did it

2912
02:05:08,750 --> 02:05:03,060
it wrecked the American dream

2913
02:05:11,689 --> 02:05:08,760
the Betty and Barney Hill movie project

2914
02:05:14,930 --> 02:05:11,699
um has been green lighted by Netflix

2915
02:05:17,689 --> 02:05:14,940
guess who's production company is doing

2916
02:05:20,229 --> 02:05:17,699
it that's Barack Obama right yeah Barack

2917
02:05:24,770 --> 02:05:20,239
Michelle Obama

2918
02:05:26,390 --> 02:05:24,780
isn't that interesting Richard what do

2919
02:05:28,550 --> 02:05:26,400
you put out do you have a new show out

2920
02:05:30,890 --> 02:05:28,560
tomorrow is it Tuesdays or Wednesdays

2921
02:05:32,689 --> 02:05:30,900
yeah I know it's Tuesdays and um

2922
02:05:34,790 --> 02:05:32,699
actually did an interview for it but I

2923
02:05:36,290 --> 02:05:34,800
think I'm gonna put that off later in

2924
02:05:39,709 --> 02:05:36,300
the week and I'm gonna I'm gonna do

2925
02:05:42,169 --> 02:05:39,719
something solo for tomorrow okay I found

2926
02:05:43,550 --> 02:05:42,179
everything that's been going on

2927
02:05:44,930 --> 02:05:43,560
you know it's kind of annoying it's a

2928
02:05:46,970 --> 02:05:44,940
lot of work I don't like all this extra

2929
02:05:49,250 --> 02:05:46,980
work I just want to go back to writing

2930
02:05:51,470 --> 02:05:49,260
my uh my current book project but hey

2931
02:05:54,050 --> 02:05:51,480
history has intervened we're seeing

2932
02:05:55,790 --> 02:05:54,060
history in the making and I've gotta

2933
02:05:57,109 --> 02:05:55,800
like okay we've got to divert ourselves

2934
02:05:59,750 --> 02:05:57,119
and we really have to look at this

2935
02:06:03,589 --> 02:05:59,760
carefully because what is happening now

2936
02:06:05,149 --> 02:06:03,599
is important it's very significant and

2937
02:06:06,530 --> 02:06:05,159
um it's important that we understand it

2938
02:06:08,629 --> 02:06:06,540
it's important for me that I understand

2939
02:06:10,430 --> 02:06:08,639
it properly and

2940
02:06:12,709 --> 02:06:10,440
um and I hate you know I mean I never

2941
02:06:14,270 --> 02:06:12,719
like commenting on things right away I'm

2942
02:06:15,950 --> 02:06:14,280
just not that kind of a person other

2943
02:06:18,950 --> 02:06:15,960
other people have no problem with it but

2944
02:06:22,129 --> 02:06:18,960
for me I like to take my time I like to

2945
02:06:24,709 --> 02:06:22,139
reflect I don't like to just jump in and

2946
02:06:26,510 --> 02:06:24,719
have some kind of snap conclusion the

2947
02:06:28,310 --> 02:06:26,520
problem is when you're a public person

2948
02:06:30,950 --> 02:06:28,320
in this field

2949
02:06:35,270 --> 02:06:30,960
people want you to have an opinion right

2950
02:06:36,709 --> 02:06:35,280
away but it's important for me to

2951
02:06:39,649 --> 02:06:36,719
um I just want to be measured I just

2952
02:06:40,790 --> 02:06:39,659
want to be careful and get my facts

2953
02:06:43,310 --> 02:06:40,800
straight so I think I will have

2954
02:06:44,390 --> 02:06:43,320
something uh fresh for tomorrow that's

2955
02:06:46,430 --> 02:06:44,400
my plan

2956
02:06:48,649 --> 02:06:46,440
you're the best Richard give my best to

2957
02:06:51,470 --> 02:06:48,659
Tracy just thank you so much I know we

2958
02:06:53,870 --> 02:06:51,480
ran a little bit over tonight uh but

2959
02:06:55,669 --> 02:06:53,880
we've left a lot on the table we could

2960
02:06:57,950 --> 02:06:55,679
have kept us going for the next five six

2961
02:07:00,290 --> 02:06:57,960
hours Jimmy I love my interviews with

2962
02:07:02,149 --> 02:07:00,300
you you I I always enjoy them honestly I

2963
02:07:04,490 --> 02:07:02,159
just think you do a great job in

2964
02:07:07,490 --> 02:07:04,500
interviewing me you get things out of me

2965
02:07:09,370 --> 02:07:07,500
that uh don't usually come out so that's

2966
02:07:13,010 --> 02:07:09,380
good

2967
02:07:14,629 --> 02:07:13,020
uh Johnny Nash that's what I got out of

2968
02:07:17,030 --> 02:07:14,639
you today oh my goodness what a

2969
02:07:20,270 --> 02:07:17,040
beautiful song isn't it it's from an era

2970
02:07:23,570 --> 02:07:20,280
where people really were optimistic I

2971
02:07:25,850 --> 02:07:23,580
can see clearly now the rain is gone

2972
02:07:28,729 --> 02:07:25,860
see all obstacles in my way bright

2973
02:07:30,890 --> 02:07:28,739
sunshiny day I mean my God if if you

2974
02:07:32,270 --> 02:07:30,900
don't like that song there's something

2975
02:07:35,030 --> 02:07:32,280
wrong with you I mean it's just a

2976
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beautiful upbeat Perfect song one of my

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it's wonderful you're ready to go it's a

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wonderful song have a good night Richard

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I'm sorry my friend thank you so much hi

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everybody by fader nuts and uh anyone

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else out there cheers thank you Richard

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perfect show tonight thank you everybody

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I am going to jump straight out of here

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I realize that uh we ran over

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um tomorrow night let's see here

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tomorrow night

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uh let's see oh tomorrow Dr John

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Brandenburg is going to be with us we're

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going to be talking about the life and

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death on Mars all of that is tomorrow

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night thank you Richard it is Ben uh one

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of the craziest weeks that I can that I

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can remember in a very very very long

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time and uh very exciting and I agree

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with Richard next

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the hearings UFO hearings real ones fine

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saucers alien bodies Fade to Black is

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produced by him Jay Palm Renee Newman

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and Michelle freed

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thank you to Dennis and Kevin webmaster

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is through the geek music Doug Albert's

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intro space boy

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spaceboymusic.com Fade to Black is

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produced by kjcr for the game changer

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of the game changer Network I'm your

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chimney church until tomorrow night with

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John Brandenburg I want you to be safe

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[Applause]